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Hello all , I intend to stuff my seat with gel and memory foam
and I was wondering if anyone else had experimented
with different configuration .
I would hate to go through some steps for nothing
so if anyone knows better than me , please give your opinion .
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I was thinking of inserting an other piece of plastic (first picture )
in there , sort of a secondary seat frame to take the first
vibrations , and minimize the impact of bumps and cracks.
I was thinking of putting some gel pads between the primary
seat frame and the secondary seat frame .
If any one thinks that would be wasting the gel
and knows of a superior pattern ,let me know.
I also have a lot of memory foam to work with
1 inch thick and the size of a double bed .
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Should gel pads be on top of memory foam or
the opposite , or maybe a sandwich of both ????
 

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I am no upholstery expert but from what I have seen the gel inserts will sit in a cutout to put them and the foam on the same level and when covered with leather it will appear to be all the same material underneath. So my advice would be to trace the outline of the gel inserts then cut that out a little more shallow than the gel pad then work from there until the surface is level.
 

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I plan on doing the same thing as you are now, so when I did research I found this. http://knoplace.com/Gel_Pad_Installation.html

Also, if you go onto ebay and research that seller: knoplace. They sell BIG GEL pads for each bike or for you to trim yourself. I plan on doing this in the winter as one of my mods, but I hope this helps you now.
 

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..it will appear to be all the same material underneath. ..... then work from there until the surface is level.
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.. thanks for your input JD , the appearance is the least
of my worries , I already tried 2 gel pads over the existing
original foam , but after 2 hours I feel uncomfortable , so
I want to try a different shape , I have read a lot of reviews
on different add-ons , the one that comes back the most is
the " Roho Airhawk " , a seat shape cushion that you inflate
and put on top of seat , but I prefer to try and find a way
to assemble under the cover .
I'll be sure to make a "how to " if I find the perfect set-up.
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I will also make a different seat cover if I have to ,
I am not Baldylatino but I can try ,
I have a second seat so there will be no down time for me.
Even if the seat turns out to look like the big
ready to burst looking "ultimate seat" ,
it is comfort I'm looking for in the end.
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Gigantor , thanks for link , I alrready have 7 gel pads
3 in shape of a bicycle seat , and 4 rounder but really
more comfortable pads from another kind of bicycle seat
company, I put 2 of those at the top of stairs , sit on them
with feet on second step and the feeling is extremely
confortable , I have to duplicate that on the bike with
some memory foam around the limits of the seat to sort of
grab my butt from the sides and bring it towards the middle
of the seat .
This is a project and I will keep no secrets
from the findings I make if it can benifit anyone else.
 

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Great work so far, really thinking outside the box.
I'm no expert either, but my butt tells me when I'm comfortable.
Here's what occurs to me.
First, what gets uncomfortable to you? Your lower back, tip of your spine (coccyx), glutes, thighs, all?
For me, the lower back pain was solved with a Custom World drivers backrest.
The coccyx pain was relieved with a Suzuki full cut gel seat. Not so much the gel, but the way the cover expands between the rear portion and bottom portion. There's a "v" between the 2 sections that allows expansion. It gets rid of the "hammock" effect of a single top piece.
Also, this will sound strange, but Leviis are sewn with a hard knot of fabric right where my coccyx is. I took a hammer and beat it flat for awhile,(the knot, not my coccyx :eek:), and it's much softer and flatter.
Keep up the good work!
 

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bump = sledge hammer to the back of the spine

What I'm trying to eliminate is the surprise blow to the spine.
in Canada we got bad roads , when you see the
short but high bump , there is nothing you can do ,
on my old bikes the pegs were under my butt so all
I had to do is put my weight on my legs and the bike would
jump up and down , I didn't care , my legs were bending ,
On our 9s our feet are way up front , the whole
weight is on the seat , if I could create a zone that
crushes first , before the top of the seat goes up,
I tought about springs between the plastic seat frame and the
other plastic plate I'm putting in , or an air cushion like
the "roho airhawk" under all the padding .
Padding is for me , and the lower cushion to help cushion
the blow of the hard rear suspension .
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Still searching ,I'm in no rush to close it up
everybody's idea is good , what do you think of bicycle tubes
blown to pressure ,then , bend them with air in ,and cut to
desired lenght and sealed , glued together side by side
to create a carpet of air , and put that carpet under all
the seat's padding ???
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Already have tried 2 gel pads with distance apart ,no coccyx pain
Already have the custom world backrest , very nice support .
looking for the miracle ??? ---> :tools: ----> :D
 

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Yeah, I know what you mean about sharp bumps and forward controls. I road I take often has a few bad ones. The thing that helped the most was changing the tires to a 250/160 combo. Surprisingly, the 160 up front helped the most. It soaks up the bump so well, it doesn't load the rear suspension so much as a smaller tire. At least that's all I can think of as to why it helped so much. With my Road King handlebars, I really sit up straight, so it's that much more weight to the rear.
I also know where these bad ones are, and go left or right to avoid the worst part if traffic permits.
Good luck on your project.
 

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Kazimodo in your pics looks like you have a ultimate seat what do you think of it I have been looking at them but have not been able to sit on one yet It looks like it gets rid of the hammock effect as CBR was speaking of I think thats my problem now I am also in the process of rebuilding my grasshopper back rest Im adding a thicker bracket so it wont bend and make it fit the seat lines I will attempt the back rest but I think I will let a profesional do the seat good luck with yours.
 

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Sorry Wide Load , those pictures of the " Ultimate seat"
come from the site here , some other member , looks really comfy
very thick , I would like to sit on one just to try.
 

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I have no actual skills so I sent it to Baldy. I believe he added the gel pack level with the foam, and them added memory foam on top of that and then a new cover. It was the rear I had done but it was quite a bit thicker that the stocker I sent him. Good luck!!:bigthumbsup:
 

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Second attempt ....nice.

I assembled my " cloud seat " ,
the planned flat piece of plastic did not make it
in the final product , just didn't feel good .
So I got 4 compact gel pads on first layer.
The leftover Neoprene pads from bicycle seats went
to the front of seat ( triangular shape ) .
then more gel to fill holes between first gel pads ,
then 2 full bicycle gel pads on top of that , facing each other
and overlapping , covered with memory foam .
(the ugly piece with almost nothing left in the back
was replaced by a better piece) .
... ..C-O_M-F_O-R_T-A_B-L_E .. ..:D
 

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MORE PICTURES

Big Thanks to " Grey Ghost " for his seats ,
that made this project possible with
the possibility to ride with a second seat
while working on the project in spare times.
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I don't think anyone can tell by just looking at the seat
that there is so much stuff in there , looks like original .:hot:
 

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What setting is your shock at? When I bought my bike every bump was HARSH. 1500 miles later I finally checked the shock setting and it was at 7!!! I adjusted to 3 and it is way better, also got a phat front which helped.
 

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My shock setting is at 2
my doctor tells me I'm getting old , ( 50 ) all my discs are
squished down " arthrosis " ,or " osteoarthritis " + Canadian roads = Pain :eek:
what I was trying for , was like a truck's seat that has
its own suspension , and is comfortable two levels of
protection for the spine ,I'm getting there .
 

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Kazi, that looks great and I hope it works as well for you as it looks. I'm going to add a layer of memory foam over my gel seat this winter.

If that doesn't work for you, you might need to look into adding one of those old style seats with springs under them. :D
 

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you might need to look into adding one of those old style seats with springs under them. :D
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A co-worker of mine owns a Used California Highway
patrol bike , a Harley , and it has a seat that is mounted
on an adjustable spring in the back and a big 5 inch wide hinge
in the front ,next to the gaz tank .
With that system ,added to the padding of the
seat , I can see how a cop can spend over 30 hours in the saddle
week after week .
 

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I used some rebonded foam, shock-absorbing foam, a couple inches of memory foam, and thin layer of neoprene as the top layer when I refoamed my seats a few months ago. WAAAAY better now!

I have a link to my pictures in my signature line...
 

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I have a link to my pictures in my signature line...
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I just looked at your seat project pictures
nice.... :bigthumbsup: I used a lot more memory foam (4th pic post # 11),
but I did not have some of your rebounded foam ,
I guess this other foam is a lot firmer than memory foam.
BTW where did you get the neoprene padding??
 

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Thanks for the link , I put it in my favorites
Neoprene .......:drool:
 
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