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After taking my bike for a ride last night for a couple hours and enjoying the smooth as glass shifts again, I went back to clean up from the oil change.

My bike uses a cartridge type filter and when I changed it the first time, I went and bought a generic filter at the local M/C Shop because I didn't stock the filter for my bike and wanted the AMSOIL in it.

I had left the filter to drain off on the pan and when I looked at it, it was partially collapsed which would allow unfiltered oil to circulate though the engine, thus causing the oil to become contaminated and not do it's job properly.

Again, being more or less forced to change the oil this time, I went to the auto parts and bought a WIX filter. Inspecting the filter before installing I noticed "Made in KOREA" .. This filter will be removed as soon as my new AMSOIL Filter arrives.

Now, for those of you that think your 2 or 3 or 5 dollar filter does the job, think again... cheap filters are just that, cheap and I will only use them when in an emergency such as yesterday.
 

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I was told that the Amsoil Oil filters came off of the same production line as the K & N filters did.
 

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Holy Misleading Thread Title Batman! You had me thinking your Amsoil was breaking down in the bike.
 
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Here is some info I found on oil filters dont know if its true or not but its interesting reading.... :read:



"Always the talk about oil: oil types, brands, weights, viscosities, etc. But often the most important part of the lubrication is overlooked. The heart of this would be the oil filter.
Engine oil filters have one purpose in life: to filter out the particles that enter the oil so that they don't act as abrasives when the oil recirculates. The filter is a cellulose (paper) or synthetic media that is usually contained in a steel can. Many filters have an anti-drainback valve to prevent dirty oil from backwashing back into the oil pan. They also have a pressure relief or bypass valve that will allow oil to bypass the filter element in the event that it becomes too plugged to pass enough oil. This prevents engine oil starvation and the possibility of destroying the element, possibly causing pieces of it and the junk it filtered to enter the engine.
More useless information:
The media the comprises a filter is made out of one of the following:
Synthetics – the best

Fiberglass – decent but not the best, mainly because the media is held together with glues and therefore decreases flows

Cellulose – cheapest, swells and distorts over time and flow.

Filter Parts Breakdown:
1. The Base, which contains the engine filter seal, mounting threads (outlet hole), and the interior oil filter one-way (anti-drain back) valve.
2. The Can, which encloses the rest of the filter assembly and is roll mounted to the base.
3. The Filter, which contains the medium that removes foreign particles from the oil and is mounted on a sturdy frame.
4. The By-Pass Valve, which is rated for a certain amount of pressure so that it lets oil by-pass the filter when pressure exceeds OEM limits.
5. The Spring, which generally functions to ensure that the filter assembly fits snugly into the base and gasket .

The question comes down to which filter to buy:

Who makes the best? Who makes who? Which filter should I use?

A breakdown on the maker of filters is listed below:

Honeywell - makes Fram (In Canada the Quaker State filters are Fram filters / In the USA, QS is Purolator), Pennzoil, Quaker State

Honeywell is not even an automotive based company. Their primary sales consist of air conditioning filters, insulation, etc. Cars are not their business. They always rate the poorest in filter reviews. Even their best filter (Extra-tough guard) is only decent. They have very cheap internal parts, but people buy them. I will give them credit, they have a great marketing strategy. Bright cute colors and a sure-gripâ„¢ top will sell anything.

Arvin Meritor - makes Purolator Premium Plus, PureONE, Ford OEM, V-1 & SureFlow (Superflow?)

Better then Honeywell, Arvin Meritor dabbles quite a bit in automotive parts. Filters are not their only gig; they also produce steering/suspension parts, etc. They produce a low – medium line filter. Nothing fancy….

Dana - makes Wix and Napa Gold/Silver, AC Delco DuraGuards for Canada

Even a better manufacturer of filters…some (Wix, Napa Gold line, some Delcos, etc.) come with synthetic valves & media. They are considered a medium line filter. Dana makes some great products, nothing cheap here.

Baldwin (Parent of Hastings) - Baldwin, Hastings, Amsoil, Casite, etc.

Baldwin has pretty big range of quality. Their bottom of the line is the Hastings filter which is a decent filter and extends up to their top of the line Amsoil filter. You get what you pay for here.

Champion Labs - Mobil 1, K&N, Supertech, AC Delco DuraGuards (two different types) for USA, Bosch Premium, STP, Ultraguard Gold, Deutch & Luberfiner

Here we have the biggest range and the largest manufacturer of filters. Champion Labs is responsible for making many OEM filters. Ford has used Champion Labs and so has Chrysler and GM. Champion Labs make some of the best filters like the Mobil 1 & K&N. The cheapest, the Supertech, actually betters out the FRAM in density and length of media believe it or not. But then, Champion is also responsible for some junk like the STP and Bosch. So if you are going cheap, grab the Supertech over the FRAM or basic Purolator.

Cummins - owns Fleetguard filters (primary supplier of trucks)

Mann - a top quality German filter maker. Comes on BMWs, Porsche, Audi, some Volvos.


Summary: There are some filters I may have overlooked, but this largely covers 95% of all the oil filters made. In a nutshell you have:

Best filters: AC Delco, Baldwin, Amsoil, Mobil 1, K&N, .

Medium: AC Delco, Napa, Wix, PureOne(?)

Crap filters: Fram, Bosch, Penzzoil & Quaker (made by Fram)


What good is good oil when you have junk filtration? I don’t want to bore you with flow rates, media densities, etc. But what are a few of bucks difference? You are better off running good oil and a good filter 7500 miles then running junk for 3000. A base line FRAM stops filtration at around 2500-3000 hard miles anyway. "
 

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Baldwin/Hastings no longer makes the AMSOIL Oil Filters, and they are not made by K&N Either.....

Not only that, these places are nothing more than assembly plants in most instances using materials either provided by or manufactured for the Company they are going to.

Just because they make/assemble something does not mean they are all alike by any strech of the imagination.... Hastings, who makes some real good Top Tier Filters, also makes $1.50 Quick Lube Filters... They are NOT the same media, can, or anything else.

Case in point, AMSOIL's filters, formerly made/assembled by Hastings, were produced with AMSOIL's media. Most of AMSOIL's filters today are made by Donaldson and use Patented Donaldson Nano-Fiber Media and is ONLY Available through AMSOIL. You can't even buy them direct from Donaldson..

Now the air filters are a different story, and where things can get confusing.... K&N makes some of AMSOIL's air filter but they are NOT K&N materials. The filters are again made with Patented Donaldson Nano-Fiber Media...

So the Phrase..... Buyer Beware.... they are the same products in name only...
 

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I run Amsoil oil and filters on all my bikes, even the big turbo bike. I cut all my filters open and I have to say they have good products. Just one guys opinion.
 

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Crazy.... Have you used the new EAOM filters yet ? There is not another filter like them available.

They are some serious filters...

Bob
 

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Hey Bob (OilDoc),

Do you have those Nano-Fiber filters available for the air intakes on the 109 yet? Lot of construction around where I live, and I've already noticed my filters getting darker (after but a week I had to ride her :( )

Also, great job on getting the oil and filters too me.. Ordered Wednesday at 4:50pm(they close at 5pm), arrived Friday morning before lunch.. freakin incredible fast... Oil was in the bike Friday before 5pm (it did make it a WEEEEEE bit past 600 miles however :evil: :evil: :evil: ) Picked it up Sept 15th at 6:15pm, Parked it for current trip on Sept 23rd at 3pm(ish). Odometer reading was 1 when I took possession, its now at almost 900.. Thats addiction folks 8)

Jonesing for my bike btw.

Thanks again Bob!
Dalton
 

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Thanks Dalton..... But don't tell the other guy in Texas that you got it so quick. I ordered his at the same time and he just got his yesterday.... :dontknow:

No air filters for the 109 yet.... but if someone can supply me with an OEM part # I can see if anything is in the plans yet from corporate....
 
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