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Hey guys. Noticed today my rear 280 was near the threads and decided it was time to replace it. I already had a Elite 3 waiting to be installed. I followed the instructions on here and it was no problem other than pulling out the 280 from between the driveshaft and the swingarm. I just let the air out of it and wiggled it back and forth.

That tire wore so abnormal it is not funny ( this was the original tire when I bought the bike... I managed to get about 2500 miles out of it personally).
It is no longer round but has a big flat spot with 2 large ridges. I think the new Elite 3 will corner WAY better. I always had to fight the bike to get over the ridges while cornering. The Elite looks just as wide as the 280 it just may be taller (40 profile compared to 35).


That being said I just want to ask....... is there anything I should lubricate or grease while I have the tire off?

Thanks for the help
 

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Well if you had a 280 on a 8.5" rim, it would have abnormal wear. The tire is too big for the rim. An elite 3 is a 250, which is a correct size for the rim.
 

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Hey guys. Noticed today my rear 280 was near the threads and decided it was time to replace it. I already had a Elite 3 waiting to be installed. I followed the instructions on here and it was no problem other than pulling out the 280 from between the driveshaft and the swingarm. I just let the air out of it and wiggled it back and forth.

That tire wore so abnormal it is not funny ( this was the original tire when I bought the bike... I managed to get about 2500 miles out of it personally).
It is no longer round but has a big flat spot with 2 large ridges. I think the new Elite 3 will corner WAY better. I always had to fight the bike to get over the ridges while cornering.
The Elite looks just as wide as the 280 it just may be taller (40 profile compared to 35).

That being said I just want to ask....... is there anything I should lubricate or grease while I have the tire off?

Thanks for the help
And this is why you don't run a 280, on a stock rim!:doh:

Grease the axle.
 

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Well if you had a 280 on a 8.5" rim, it would have abnormal wear. The tire is too big for the rim. An elite 3 is a 250, which is a correct size for the rim.
Ok guys.... just wanted to let you know that I knew all this from this forum. As I said the bike had the 280 on it when I bought it. I learned last year on this forum that it should not be put on a stock rim. But I took my chance to get all the tread I could out of it. I saw firsthand how uneven the tread wears and of course I wasn't gonna put a 280 back on.

Just wanted to share with everyone that I agree that the 280 is a bad idea... that's all.
I had learned about the Elite 3 from here and that is why I am putting the 250 on.
And this is why you don't run a 280, on a stock rim!:doh:
Someone before me had the bad idea.
I thought you would be ok with 65 lbs of aiR! :joke:
LOL.....I actually did try 50 pounds of air for a bit but it rode way too hard.
 

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If you lift the bike up enough to put the tire in mostly from below, you can leave it inflated. You still have to wiggle it past the final drive but it goes in fairly easily.
 

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Thanks for the replies guys.
Do I just use the same grease I use on the axle on the hub splines too?
 

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Thanks for the replies guys.
Do I just use the same grease I use on the axle on the hub splines too?
Yes, I just used Mobil 1 synthetic high temp wheel bearing grease. Just lightly coat it. If you put to much on it will come off on the rim.
Also if you loosen up the 3 bolts on the rear end (do not remove them) you will get about a 1/4 of more clearence to help you place the wheel in.
 

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Ok got the new tire on. I was worried but it took all of 15 min. to put it back on. The driveshaft lined up perfectly. When I was done I took it for a very short ride because it was sprinkling. It is gonna make a HUGE difference in handling... just in the short ride.

I have to say.... I rode this tire until I thought that it was worn out.
All I can say is.....WOW. It was so THIN that i compare it to a innertube. I was shocked.
DO NOT let your tire tread to get too low. I was fortunate. It's true everyone says it but now I know.....do not let your tread get too low. There was no canvas showing either.

I will tell everyone later how much better or worse the new tire is.........

As far as looking as FAT as the 280..... it is not.

But (not that i know yet...but ) I am sure that my handling of the bike in the corners is gonna be awesome!!!:bigthumbsup:

I will keep you updated as soon as the weather allows a ride!:bigthumbsup:
 

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The E3 250 has a pretty heavy carcass. When I swapped my last one it was down below the wear bars and the case was still fairly rigid. I remember when I swapped out the stock 240 I was amazed at how thin it was, as you said almost like an inner tube.
 

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Print version http://www.m109riders.com/howto/10inch/

If you are going to run a 280 on your bike you need to do it on the right size rim. Running a 280 on a stock 8.5" rim will cause premature wear in the sidewalls of the tire if you ride the twisties at all.

That being said it does take a little more work to get a 280 on a 10" rim to fit in the stock swingarm. It's going to sound harder than it is and after you've done it a couple of times it's no big deal. I hope this helps.

This is going to start at the point where you have already installed your bearings and cushdrive. Here's the video for getting the cushdrive out. http://www.m109riders.com/forum/inde...c,10391.0.html

First thing you need to do is to fish the wheel in with the hubs off of the wheel. You will install the hubs after you get the wheel in the swingarm. What I do is angle the back of the wheel to the left of the bike and fish the front in around the differential. Sorry but I don't have a picture of doing that but I do have one of what it will look like when it's in.

Sorry about the red differential, I had a moment of very bad judgement. I'm all better since these pictures.


You need to drop the lift to where it's pretty close to where it needs to be so you can install the hubs.

If you're installing a Replicator wheel it will have two 1/4-20 holes tapped in the drive hub and two countersunk holes in the wheel. Those are there to hold the hub in place while you're bolting up the other side of the hub.

This is a RC wheel and it doesn't have that so you need to put the hub on the wheel and line up the bolt holes and then scoot the wheel over so that the diff. holds the hub in place while you put the other side on.

Don't forget this part! More than once I got the whole hub and wheel bolted up and found out I forgot to put the crush tube in. You've got to remember to put this in because that's what ties all the bearings together. Without the crush tube the hubs take all the stress when you torque down the axle. DON'T FORGET THE CRUSH TUBE!



Now that I have the crush tube in I'm ready to bolt the right side hub up. What I do is slide the axle in from the wrong side just so it will help to hold the hub and crush tube in place while I install the hub bolts.

Tighten the bolts in a star pattern making sure the hubs are seated in the wheel. Get the bolts good and tight but remember you have to do this all over again when you have to change a tire so it's up to you if you want to use Loctite or not. I don't and have never had a problem.



Now you can pull the axle out and install the dust seal. If yours didn't come with one just rob it from the stock wheel.



Install the axle from the drive side and have it stick out just enough to hold the spacer.



Install rotor and snug all bolts.



Install caliper bracket and run axle all the way through swingarm.



Install caliper and snug bolts.



Now you need to jack the wheel off of the ground and spin it to make sure nothing is hitting and you're not getting any strange noises that shouldn't be there. If all is well go over every bolt and nut and torque them down to spec.

Now sit back and checkout that big fat tire, and then go for a ride. You're going to love it.

 

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Sounds like a lot of work and money just to have another 30mm of tire on a bike that might not corner as good. As I said the tire might not look as "phat" I believe the functionality of the bike is now gonna be much better.

I am sure I will still get all the compliments that I got before...LOL.

Hopefully I will ride today and will be able to update how much different the handling will be.
 

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The tire is definitely scuffed now...lol. I did take it easy for the ride yesterday just for that reason.
I'll tell you right now.... what a difference in the handling!!! Night and day. I feel like I can drop right into the corners now. Before now I could not understand how everyone said they could drag their pegs..... at the most before I dragged the heel of my boot sometimes. But let me tell you I can see me dragging my pegs now :super:.

I can't wait to take the wifey for a ride... I know she is gonna notice the difference in the handling and the ride.

Thanks for all the help guys :bigthumbsup:
 
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