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OIL & FILTER CHANGE :3.6 L (3.8/3.2 US/IMP QT)( NOTE THIS NEXT STEP IS WITH OUT THE FILTER ) oil should be changed while engine is warm.drain oil by removing the oil drain plugs and filter cap. MOTORCYCLE ON SIDE STAND POSITION. tighten the drain plugs,pour fresh oil 3.0L tighten the filler cap, start up the engine and allow it to run few minutes at IDLING( NO GAS ) speed, remove the filler cap , pour fresh oil 0.4L ,tighten the filler cap. OIL LEVEL INSPECTION . start up the engine and allow it to run 15 min at IDLING SPEED. keep the motorcycle upright. turn off the engine and wait about 3 min then check the oil level removing the filler cap . if the level is below mark "L" add oil to "F" level (DO NOT SCREW THE FILLER CAP) IF THE LEVEL IS ABOVE MARK "F" drain oil to "F" level. IF YOU CHANGE OIL AND FILTER THEY ARE SAYING YOU SHOULD USE ABOUT 3.8-3.2 US QTS AND CHECK IT LIKE ABOVE . THIS IS FROM A DEALER SERVICE MANUAL. HOPE THIS WILL HELP.
 

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OIL & FILTER CHANGE :3.6 L (3.8/3.2 US/IMP QT)( NOTE THIS NEXT STEP IS WITH OUT THE FILTER ) oil should be changed while engine is warm.drain oil by removing the oil drain plugs and filter cap. MOTORCYCLE ON SIDE STAND POSITION. tighten the drain plugs,pour fresh oil 3.0L tighten the filler cap, start up the engine and allow it to run few minutes at IDLING( NO GAS ) speed, remove the filler cap , pour fresh oil 0.4L ,tighten the filler cap. OIL LEVEL INSPECTION . start up the engine and allow it to run 15 min at IDLING SPEED. keep the motorcycle upright. turn off the engine and wait about 3 min then check the oil level removing the filler cap . if the level is below mark "L" add oil to "F" level (DO NOT SCREW THE FILLER CAP) IF THE LEVEL IS ABOVE MARK "F" drain oil to "F" level.  IF YOU CHANGE OIL AND FILTER THEY ARE SAYING YOU SHOULD USE ABOUT 3.8-3.2 US QTS AND CHECK IT LIKE ABOVE . THIS IS FROM A DEALER SERVICE MANUAL. HOPE THIS WILL HELP.
Thanks for the info.
 

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That is total insanity.
In fact I called the factory rep in California last week about this oil checking problem.
He said he was taking all the info down and it will be sent to a higher level. ( I Hope )
After a lot of praise about the bike I simply complained about all the oil running down the side of the bike and blowing back onto my wife's pants on the way to the beach and oh yes the 14 inch puddle of oil under the bike, while the bike was parked at beach and everyone looking at it, they must have thought it was a Harley until they got close enough to tell it was the almighty, fire breathing Suzuki M109R hemorrhaging it's life's blood onto the asphalt.
Now is that really good PR or what?
Suzuki really blow it on that part of the bike.
There's no reason why they can't come up with a better way of checking the oil while it's cold and sitting on the kick stand.
So give Customer Service a call at 714-572-1490. representatives are available from 8:30AM to 5 PM PST and lets see if we all can get this problem resolved.
 

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that is such a crock. I put in 3.8 qts and when I ran it hard it blew oil. When you try to check the oil I don't get any on the stick even when I turn in the cap and they don't even want you to do that. How are you supposed to get oil on the dipstick? This really is a crappy oil guage.
 

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that is such a crock. I put in 3.8 qts and when I ran it hard it blew oil. When you try to check the oil I don't get any on the stick even when I turn in the cap and they don't even want you to do that. How are you supposed to get oil on the dipstick? This really is a crappy oil guage.
When I changed my oil for the first time I placed 3 1/2 quarts in and it seems to have put me between the high and low mark. But that clean oil is a @itch to read on the stick.

Another question quicksillver. In the 600 mile service, which bolts (location) need to be tightened and at what spec? Basically besides the oil and rear oil change and inspect the brakes. What procedure are they telling you to do? Still waiting on my service manual.
 

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I can see it now. Oil changing parties.
 

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wow, I know the dealership had trouble with this, but it's clear in the manual.  Run the bike for 15 minutes, turn if off for 3, use something under sidestand (piece of 2x4 wood) to level bike and check oil (dont screw in dipstick).  It's different than most bikes in that it's now proper to check the oil after each ride.  This really isn't a problem...this way you know there's oil the next time you go to ride.    Soooo different but soooo simple if you just read the manual
 

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Here's the sad part, when you change the 3.8 quarts of oil you still have 1.2 quarts of oil left in the motor. ::) It takes 5 quarts of oil if you do a rebuild. So where is the 1.2 quarts of oil hiding? :confused:
 

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Oil procedure (problem)~

So, I'm riding around and I stop at the gas station to fuel up and check the oil at 400 miles. I open the dipstick and to my suprise, it is FULL. I mean FULL. To the rim with brim. Pissed off at my dealer at this point I call Suzuki about why my bikes oil is soo full and tell them everything from my horrible parts guy experience to I want a new bike. I changed the oil myself so that I did not have to see the dealer ship and it was not as full as I feared. Hmmmmmmm.... Did I get it all out or is it just that much of a pain to check the oil. Who knows... I could not have been that full because I checked the air boxes for blow out and there was none in them. This should have been made simpler with a view port like on teh sport bikes etc.... I think that I will follow up with the zuk guy that is listed.
 

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hey, Shredder did you have the bike on the side stand when you checked your oil? If you did that was probably your problem.
 

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make the front of the bike about a half foot higher and let the bike drain for an hour or more :bigthumbsup:
 

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I have been checking my oil with it cold! with bike on side stan,15 minutes and my GSXR 1000 would be 220 Degrees :eek: I can't stand the thought of it!!!
with the bike on side stand and motor dead cold I always have just a drop on the end of the oil stick.and i mean the very tip on the stick,the part before it starts the high low grid.if the oil is right you will see it :eek: and don't flame me cause I also check it ,by the book, but not every time i ride! but i check to see if it's in there before i crank her up,cause i LOVE MY 109 :D :bigthumbsup:
I was wondering if you could make the oil stick a hair longer then you could get a really good reading with it cold,and take some of this guess work out! any other idea's?a quarter inch would do it,I think but would it be in the way of something being that long?
To make the stick a little longer i was thinking maybe just some brasing on the end someting easy to file and shape???
 

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the service manual doesn't help matters much. it is poorly written, and actually has 2 different methods for filling the oil...one on the sidestand, and one upright. funny thing is they both pretty much say the same thing, but in that special way that leaves you scratching your head.
 

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I have had no oil puking problems and I did an oil change at 600 and 1200 miles myself. warmed up motor, drained oil out of both drain plugs both on sidestand and upright. after about 15 minutes no drips. at this point I remove and replace the filter. put both drain plugs back in. measure what came out of the bike, first oil change at 600 miles 4 qts came out. found out the hard way can only add 3 qts before it overflows the dipstick hole and down the inside of the chrome cover. removed cover, cleaned up spilled oil. start motor for a few seconds. I assume this allows the filter to fill and oil to circulate. add the other quart. ride 15 minutes and shut bike off for 3 minutes. check oil sitting on bike upright, dipstick is inserted but not threaded into the hole. comes out right on the full mark. oil change at 1200 miles was more or less the same except only 3.8qts came out. remembered to only at 3 qts then start then added 0.8qt. same oil check as above like the book says, right on full never puked oil. switched at the 1200 mile change to Repsol 10-50w full synthetic. :bigthumbsup:
 

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I have had no oil puking problems and I did an oil change at 600 and 1200 miles myself. warmed up motor, drained oil out of both drain plugs both on sidestand and upright. after about 15 minutes no drips. at this point I remove and replace the filter. put both drain plugs back in. measure what came out of the bike, first oil change at 600 miles 4 qts came out. found out the hard way can only add 3 qts before it overflows the dipstick hole and down the inside of the chrome cover. removed cover, cleaned up spilled oil. start motor for a few seconds. I assume this allows the filter to fill and oil to circulate. add the other quart. ride 15 minutes and shut bike off for 3 minutes. check oil sitting on bike upright, dipstick is inserted but not threaded into the hole. comes out right on the full mark. oil change at 1200 miles was more or less the same except only 3.8qts came out. remembered to only at 3 qts then start then added 0.8qt. same oil check as above like the book says, right on full never puked oil. switched at the 1200 mile change to Repsol 10-50w full synthetic. :bigthumbsup: Â
wow my 600 mi went like your 1200 my was spot on every time i've checked it about 7 times and i used suzuki brand oil & filter in the rear i used honda hypoid oil
 

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Here's the sad part, when you change the 3.8 quarts of oil you still have 1.2 quarts of oil left in the motor. Roll Eyes It takes 5 quarts of oil if you do a rebuild. So where is the 1.2 quarts of oil hiding?
heh, check page 8-19 of the service manual...i think it's hiding in that crazy chart!
 

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Ya'll just need to read the manual and do it exactly like it says and it works ,this should be a non issue.I can't figure how anyone who can read,can't get this right! iT'S REDICULOUS TO KEEP SEEING THESE OIL THREADS! Idid it by the book and have had zero problems :read: :read: :read: :bigthumbsup: :doorag:
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ppridgen1 said:
Ya'll just need to read the manual and do it exactly like it says and it works ,this should be a non issue.I can't figure how anyone who can read,can't get this right! iT'S REDICULOUS TO KEEP SEEING THESE OIL THREADS! Idid it by the book and have had zero problems :read: :read: :read: :bigthumbsup: :doorag:
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read the manual word for word, works perfect for me.
ps- dont prop your bike up on blocks to check. i'd hate to see it take a spill. just sit on it and hold it upright to check dipstick. i used gun blue on my dipstick. alot easier to read. :bigthumbsup:
 
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