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June of 2005 Motorcycle USA did a shoot out comparison of performance cruisers. http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/Article_Page.aspx?ArticleID=2221&Page=1 This shootout did not include our beloved 109 but since lamonster has already dyno'd the bike, albeit in different settings, I figured we could use this to compare and at least start the conversation.

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Quarter mile performance:



Just in case you are wondering, their panel picked the Yamaha Warrior.
Let the conversation begin.
 

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It appears that the M109R will fall between the VTX and V-Rod. Dare I say, Give the V-Rod a run for it's money?
 
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I think the v-rod(stock for stock ) will still be a tad faster ....look at the mph and thats a good indication of H.p....with that mph a low 11 second v-rod should be abtainable....or maybe its the lack or torque and All topend ..... :D I didnt buy mine to strickly beat a v-rod...I bough mine because it seems to have everything I wanted,,,power ,handling ,,,and style(did I mention the BIG REAR TIRE :D)....and at a low low low price....Well....considering what a v-rod goes for... :eek:
 

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The Mean Streak doesn't look so mean compared to these other bikes, does it?

The V-Rod is a way powerful bike, but you do have to wind her to make that power. And with only 1130 ccs, no way can she torque with these monsters.
 

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v-rod's got solid numbers. gotta point out the smooth (not spikey) power/torque curves too. i bet that's nice to cruise with. i'll give credit where it's due. minor note however, that's not a stock v-rod. it's stock, but it's a street rod...slight difference. has different pipes and a bit more power than a normal v-rod.

i think our baby will give it a run for it's money, even with that good 11.52 time, given a pro rider and a broken in engine. if they were to allow optional pipes, i think there will be no contest.
 
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phaed said:
v-rod's got solid numbers. gotta point out the smooth (not spikey) power/torque curves too. i bet that's nice to cruise with. i'll give credit where it's due. minor note however, that's not a stock v-rod. it's stock, but it's a street rod...slight difference. has different pipes and a bit more power than a normal v-rod.

i think our baby will give it a run for it's money, even with that good 11.52 time, given a pro rider and a broken in engine. if they were to allow optional pipes, i think there will be no contest.
Agree,I can't wait for some solid numbers with a well broke in modded to the hill M109r...Should be very interseting....Hopefully hal's right and a high 10 second crusier would just tickle me to death...but it would still have to be very street ridable,,.....Dont want an all out drag bike,....have a car already...... :D
 

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The 109 will out torque them all easily and has the top end to get it thru the lights right with the v rod, just wait till we get a decent pipe, open intakes and a custom map, it's all over. And once the real building starts it will really be over, harley is getting a jump on it though with their new 1700cc big bore kit from screamin eagle :eek:

Plus I think we can drop around 30 pounds with a 2 into 1 exhaust losing the steel bracket below the swingarm.
 

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street rod is 79 lbs lighter (615 lb HD vs. 694 lb zuke). throw in a 180 lb rider, and this becomes a 9% difference in weight. think it's enough to overcome inferior hp/torque? time will tell.
 

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The 109 will out torque them all easily and has the top end to get it thru the lights right with the v rod, just wait till we get a decent pipe, open intakes and a custom map, it's all over. And once the real building starts it will really be over, harley is getting a jump on it though with their new 1700cc big bore kit from screamin eagle :eek:

Plus I think we can drop around 30 pounds with a 2 into 1 exhaust losing the steel bracket below the swingarm.
There is a 1700 big bore kit for Harley? I wonder what that will cost. :eek:
 

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Sorry to butt in, but does anybody have any stats like this for mid-range cruisers? 600-1100cc or 800-1400cc?

I've got a Suzuki Intruder vs800 and I'd love to see some real stats compared against other bikes in its class or close to it.
 

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Sorry to butt in, but does anybody have any stats like this for mid-range cruisers? 600-1100cc or 800-1400cc?

I've got a Suzuki Intruder vs800 and I'd love to see some real stats compared against other bikes in its class or close to it.
The VS800 is a really good machine. It's darn near as fast as the 1400 in the quarter.
 

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The VS800 is a really good machine. It's darn near as fast as the 1400 in the quarter.
From what I've been told, (have a website with basic stats on various bikes, but it's not as official looking), the VS800 will beat the 1400 in the quarter.

Website I am referring to is: http://www.chuckhawks.com/cruiser_motorcycle_chart.htm.

I'd love to get some true numbers from these and newer bikes. I do feel that my bike can absolutely spank an 883 sportster, but that was before I put some straight drag pipes on it. I "think" I felt a loss in power by going to the drags. I've yet to ride with my neighbor (that has the sportster) and see if I really lost anything or if it's in my head. I don't think I need to rejet, but I don't know hot to determine that....other than 'gut instinct'.

I think I need just a little more back pressure in the pipes. I went with Cruiser Magic 2 Nasty Twins (sound great) and think I may opt next to install the Thunder Monster baffles.

Anyways, back to my original questions, does anybody know of a websites with stats like the URL above? I'm a stat freak sometimes and I'd love to compare some more (and up to date) numbers.
 
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I had a 03 VTX 1800 C until it was stolen last fall and now have a 109r. Fat Tire was the closer for me.

Relating to this Dyno shoot out.

I took my 1800C to a Dyno Shoot out (Boomerama in Oakland County) prior to any mods and it returned 92 hp and 104 lbs of torque. At that shoot out there where many HD's (mostly HD) including V-Rod's.

The V-Rods on that day where returning 98 HP and 62 lbs of torque. And a $15,000 stage 3 103 Screaming Eagle kit Dyna Glide ran 88HP and 90lbs of Torque.

I put a K&N Filter, HardKrome Sideburner and Power Commander on the 1800C and it ran 107HP and 110lbs of Torque at a later date on a different Dyno.

I have light to light beat many HD's including V-Rods and NightTrain Screaming Eagles, I feel that the power band is the issue at hand, if the power is available in the correct range you will beat stronger bikes and if you know how to shift and handle your machine. There are bikes out there with less power and less torque that will beat any particular bike in certain situations, SV650 on the Blue Ridge highway will dust any 700lb bike.

I think a lot of these "COMMERCIAL DYNO TESTS" are skewed to a particular manufacture for sales (marketing reasons).

The V-Rod is the only HD Bike that I would ever think about buying once they unleash the capacity of that machine. Again, Sales(marketing) is the reason behind that bike being delivered in a detuned version, and why have they not delivered that engine in a cruiser dressed or not.

Please don't ride your 109r afraid of any HD machine, you are a member of a very unique group of people, ONES WHO GET IT!

Lamonster it is good to see you behind this bike. I missed my 1800C and the VTXOA, hopfully the 109R will have a similar following.

RAW_TAZ
 

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I suspect a lot of us new 109ers came off modded VTX 1800s and do miss them. The thing for me is I was thinking of going for another $5000 or so in upgrades to make my VTX closer yet to what I wanted when Suzuki offered it stock in the new 109.
I kept waiting for Honda to to give us VTX lolaliists a more refined version (they had several teaser modifieds out there) but they never brought them to market.
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I know what you are saying about the 5,000 in upgrades to the X the 240 upgrade alone is like 3000 or so.

I am loving my 109r more every day, I have had it for two weeks now. Chomping at the bit to get some mods on it, having a hard time finding stuff for it. Hope the market catches up soon.

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on the smaller bore vees....take a look at the suzuki M50.....it comes almost like the 9, with injection, shaft, and liquid cooling. Put a breather, commander, and a nice set of pipes and you have a little 800cc cruiser that scoots, and surprises a lot of peops.
 

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This is interesting.....any of you guys familiar with the new HD 110 inch bikes? Last year I met up with a guy who shelled out over 25 hard earned g's for one and put a $50 bet on a run against my nine. I already had a commander and air kit on the bike and we went out to a back country road where we had plenty of room. Truth be told, he got a good hole shot in me because I blotched my launch, but byt the time I was coming on the steam in second, I got past him and kept going, and really ate him on top end. He paid up. What can I saY :evil:
 
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