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Okay... this is the first bike I've owned that didn't require a manual valve adjustment. The need for post-break-in valve inspection and adjustment is the ONLY reason I've ever bothered to have a 600 mile service done by a dealer.

I can do my own oil change, thank you very much.  ::) And anything else the 600 mile service would entail...

So, really, what is the advantage of taking it to a dealer for the 600 miler? In fact, I can see a lot of advantages to doing it in my own garage (at least I know I won't overfill the thing... LOL)

I noticed, however, a lot of the guys on the board here are bringing theirs in. Is there something I'm missing or forgetting? Any thoughts?  :confused:
 

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Do it yourself. Only involves oil change and rear gear oil change. Just like all Suzukis.

Did my 1400 new myself 4 years ago and did all regualr maintenance myself. WTF?

No problems :D
 

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I would also check/tighten possibly loosened bolts. Mine also checked to see if it's running rich/lean.
 

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Mine also checked to see if it's running rich/lean.
:confused: What did they use to check the mixture? And, if the mixture was wrong, how do you even adjust it on a fuel injected bike?

This is my second FI Boulevard, and as far as I was aware, the only way to affect the mixture is to use an FI processor. Maybe the dealers have some way of remapping the ECU that we don't have access to?

I assume it runs a bit lean from the factory anyway, like all new bikes do these days...
 
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My first service is free of charge,,,,and I'll be lookin it over afterwards very close..But heck free oil and filter... :D about 30 bucks...and I'm gonna recommend they check a few other things,,throttle freeplay needs adjusting and 1 sheild is buzzing @ 3000 rpm...tightened what I could get to ....still there...
 

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Since they over filled mine with oil and I found this out through you guys.
I passed it on to them about the over filling problem and mentioned how I
had to remove the 24 oz of oil with my wife's turkey baister along with the bubbling over mess on my garage floor. They changed my oil and filter, checked all my fasteners and some other things I was concerned about.
Took about an hour and half with me over his shoulder, but I was happy. Best of all NO labor charge! Total was 21 bucks. :bigthumbsup:
 

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I would take it back to your dealer. Mine said that's it's important for them to connect a computer and down load the ignition timing, and reset the fuel map curves. So they say. I do trust them when they say bring it back. No cost for me either to do this. Mine is running a bit sick when warm so they want to see what the computer down load is reading.

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Free first servuce at 600 miles hummmm how did this happen? Suzuki in Minot said not here! You have to pay :eek: I had already did mine 2 months ago anyway........... just new they have a fit over it though. Maby I won't bother them with anything anymore. :doorag: Beside I'd perfer doing my own servicing, at least I wipe off my finger prints hehehe :joke:
 

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:(Had to pay for my first service also, They said they need a record for warranty purposes. I can handle that with all my receipts. Won't take it back to them again.
 

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Although a painful event in handing over good money to the dealer, and lots of it, for a "oil change" and "bolt torquing", do it. That nice "printed invoice" for the initial service which you receive when you pay for the 600 mile service, is like a piece of gold, should you require future warranty service. Nothing protects you a-- and investment than the document which provides "proof positive" that your service was completed by a "authorized/recognized" Suzuki Service Facility. Think of it as your bikes insurance policy in addition to the warranty!
 

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and the tooth fairy and the easter bunny will bring you your warranty claim check! If it's covered under the warranty it's covered they can't tell you no because you didn't let them do a stinking oil change.So don't believe that bull
Thank you for sharing that with me!
 

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If you can do it yourself, do it. KEEP the receipts for filter (genuine Suzuki) and oil (specified in owners manual). If you use other than Suzuki filter it could affect your warranty and be certain that the oil you use is motorcycle specific. PLEASE PLEASE do not put a Fram filter on it. I work at a dealer and we have no problem with a customer doing their own service, unless they screw it up and cause problems with the motorcycle. I have always done my own service and repairs for many years and have had no problems with the couple of warranty issues that I had.
 

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I work for BMW....if customers get thier oil changed at Jiffy lube or whatever...the car is under warranty , no if ands or buts...however BMW sevice is free
for the 4 yrs or 50k miles and do you know some people still take it to these 20 minute places.

Now if the car is just out of warranty...the dealer can ask the manufacture to do "goodwill" repairs or replacement...the first thing the dealer checks is
was the car serviced regulary ? if so 9 times out 10 BMW will cover it. Again folks "JUST" out of warranty , so if your warranty expired 2 yrs ago or 25k
miles ago....forget it ! :eek:

Manufactures spend millions of dollars to get customers into the doors...if they spend $300-500 (for example) they will keep that customer for life...as opposed
to spending $1,300 bucks to get a new one or just a tire kicker.
 

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Guys, just got my service manual. there is no reason for the stealer to tap into the ECM on the 600 miles service. the Euro model M109's are supposed to have the idle speed checked but the U.S. model says nothing about checking for rich/lean throttle synch or any thing like that. I think the Euro models have to have scans done periodically due to the fact they are the ones with heated o2 sensors in the headpipes. :bigthumbsup:
 

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Guys, just got my service manual. there is no reason for the stealer to tap into the ECM on the 600 miles service. the Euro model M109's are supposed to have the idle speed checked but the U.S. model says nothing about checking for rich/lean throttle synch or any thing like that. I think the Euro models have to have scans done periodically due to the fact they are the ones with heated o2 sensors in the headpipes. :bigthumbsup:
Throttle sync adjustment IS indicated in the 600 mile service for US models, according to my service manual. Did you get a different edition or something?
 

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I'm still waiting on my Service Manuel! I did checked my Owners Manuel and it indicates "throttle valve synchronization" "inspection" for CA models only. Not sure of the difference between the CA models and 48 state models????? Anyone know???? I bought mine in Pa. so I would have to assume no inspection was performed at the 600 mile service.
I've really have no major issue regarding driveability with the bike other than the "touchy throttle" which several owners have described. I think this is more of a characteristic than a problem with the 109 as the motor is both high torque and high compression.
 

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EAGLEFAN67 said:
I work for BMW....if customers get thier oil changed at Jiffy lube or whatever...the car is under warranty , no if ands or buts...however BMW sevice is free
for the 4 yrs or 50k miles and do you know some people still take it to these 20 minute places.

Now if the car is just out of warranty...the dealer can ask the manufacture to do "goodwill" repairs or replacement...the first thing the dealer checks is
was the car serviced regulary ? if so 9 times out 10 BMW will cover it. Again folks "JUST" out of warranty , so if your warranty expired 2 yrs ago or 25k
miles ago....forget it ! :eek:

Manufactures spend millions of dollars to get customers into the doors...if they spend $300-500 (for example) they will keep that customer for life...as opposed
to spending $1,300 bucks to get a new one or just a tire kicker.
Why do you say not to use a Fram filter? I have been using them for years in automobiles with no problems what so ever.
 

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I just had my "500" mile service and when I got home I found that they under filled my bike by 1/2 quart, this was the free one and I doubt I will pay for any future ones (DIY). I wonder why they told me to bring it in at 500 miles in stead of 600?
 

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I just had my "500" mile service and when I got home I found that they under filled my bike by 1/2 quart, this was the free one and I doubt I will pay for any future ones (DIY). I wonder why they told me to bring it in at 500 miles in stead of 600?
Let the bike sit for 3 minutes after you shut it off. Then check the oil. Insert the dipstick but do not thread it. This should give you an accurate measurement.

I opted to do the 600 mile service myself. It's pretty easy if you have the right tools ect. YES! it is necessary to do the 600 Mile service. you will find a substantial amount of metal shaving stuck to the drain plugs. You definitely do not want those shavings floating around in the oil. The metal shavings are normal to find during the break in period.
 

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I did not want to return to my idiotic dealer and pay them anything, and since they offered no such free service, oh well.

I did the gear oil and the engine oil myself with the Suzuki filter and bought gear and engine oil at Pep Boys that met the specs in the manual. I don't think the container needs to say anything about a motorcycle, as long as it meets the specs that Suzuki says.

Now, the throttle synchronization thingy. Could not do that myself. Is that really very important? Should I take it to have that done?

How could they ever prove I did not get that part of the 600 mile service done?

Thankfully where I am moving there are two dealers within 10 miles that I can try my luck at.
 
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