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But if I remember correctly, Dunlop states in there specs that you need a bigger rim then ours to fit the 250. Do a search on this I posted a reply with links to the manufactures data sheets.
 

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it seems like the dunlop has'nt lasted very well, my bike has 3800 miles and yes i burn it on asphalt and concrete and it looks like the rubber is gone already.
 
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The 250s have been on backorder but are "due" next week. I have put all of these tires on the same size rim as the M109. No issues.
 

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But if I remember correctly, Dunlop states in there specs that you need a bigger rim then ours to fit the 250. Do a search on this I posted a reply with links to the manufactures data sheets.
The Dunnie Elite 3, 250/40 R-18 is the stock tire size for the Victory Hammer which also has a 8.5 inch rear rim. Same as our 109's. Read the post on "Has anyone replaced their rear tire".
 

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I know the Hammer has has that size rim and tire. Maybe the rim is slightly larger. Just like tires from one manufacture to another, because they are 240/40R18 does not mean that they are the same width. I guess this way Dunlop covers there @ss. As you can see it calls for a 9" rim. Not saying that it won't work, but if that tire debeads while you are going 50-130mph and kill yourself, they said you need a 9" rim not an 8 1/2".

SIZE LOAD/ SPEED INDEX SIDEWALL PART # APPLICABLE RIMS
RECOMMENDED RIM OVERALL DIAMETER OVERALL WIDTH FULL TREAD DEPTH MAXIMUM LOAD @ PSI

Elite 3 Radial Front
150/80R17 72H BW 4080-92 3.50 26.77 6.16 5/32 783 @ 41
130/70R18 63H BW 4080-78 3.50 25.26 5.08 6/32 600 @ 41
Elite 3 Radial Rear
180/60R16 74H BW 4080-56 5.00 24.39 7.16 9/32 827 @ 41
180/70R16 77H BW 4080-82 5.00 26.06 7.13 10/32 910 @ 41
240/40R18 79V BW 4080-88 8.00 25.91 9.29 12/32 963 @ 41
250/40R18 81V BW 4080-99 9.00 26.20 10.02 8/32 1019 @ 42
 

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I know the Hammer has has that size rim and tire. Maybe the rim is slightly larger. Just like tires from one manufacture to another, because they are 240/40R18 does not mean that they are the same width. I guess this way Dunlop covers there @ss. As you can see it calls for a 9" rim. Not saying that it won't work, but if that tire debeads while you are going 50-130mph and kill yourself, they said you need a 9" rim not an 8 1/2".Â

SIZE LOAD/ SPEED INDEX SIDEWALL PART # APPLICABLE RIMS
RECOMMENDED RIM OVERALL DIAMETER OVERALL WIDTH FULL TREAD DEPTH MAXIMUM LOAD @ PSI

 Elite 3 Radial Front
150/80R17Â 72HÂ BWÂ 4080-92Â 3.50Â 26.77Â 6.16Â 5/32Â 783 @ 41
130/70R18Â 63HÂ BWÂ 4080-78Â 3.50Â 25.26Â 5.08Â 6/32Â 600 @ 41
 Elite 3 Radial Rear
180/60R16Â 74HÂ BWÂ 4080-56Â 5.00Â 24.39Â 7.16Â 9/32Â 827 @ 41
180/70R16Â 77HÂ BWÂ 4080-82Â 5.00Â 26.06Â 7.13Â 10/32Â 910 @ 41
240/40R18Â 79VÂ BWÂ 4080-88Â 8.00Â 25.91Â 9.29Â 12/32Â 963 @ 41
250/40R18Â 81VÂ BWÂ 4080-99Â 9.00Â Â 26.20Â 10.02Â 8/32Â 1019 @ 42
Thanks! I reviewed that chart moons ago. If you go by that chart, you will notice that the stock 109 rim which is 8.5 inches, is wider than what Dunnie recommends for the 240????? There appears to be some confusion on part of the manufacturer themselves regarding rim width! I'll be replacing my 240 with the 250 Dunnie and feel comfortable that the tire will perform well on the 109 rim. Just to be on the safe side I'll be visiting my local victory dealer and will actually measure a Hammer rim from lip to lip. As the Hammer is American made I would hope that when they give specs in inches that they are correct and actually measure 8.5 inches wide.
 

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Trust me it's the tire that should have come stock, the angle of the sidewall tells the story.
I think Suzuki was being conservative with the 240. Additionally they wanted a soft rubber compound tire and made that a specification for Dunnie regarding the the D221 series tires. Had Dunnie a 250 with the same rubber compound as the D221, I'm sure Suzuki would have went the route of the wider tire. Remember that the stock tires are a dealer only item according to Hal.
 

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I guess this way Dunlop covers there @ss. As you can see it calls for a 9" rim. Not saying that it won't work, but if that tire debeads while you are going 50-130mph and kill yourself, they said you need a 9" rim not an 8 1/2".
In reality here in the US that does not matter much anymore. What matters most is your lawyer, their expertise and the jury they select if it gets that far. I am sure I could ride that tire/wheel combo and actually receive a settlement from either Suzuki or the tire manufacturer even if I signed a waiver when I bought it! I dont think thats right, I just feel its reality today.
People get reimbursed every day in this country just for being an A$$. The manufacturers know it too. They take steps to scare off the timid from a lawsuit, and charge everyone more to pay for the ones that sue anyway :dontknow: :dontknow:

Personal responsibility seems to have been thrown out with the bath water...

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In reality here in the US that does not matter much anymore. What matters most is your lawyer, their expertise and the jury they select if it gets that far. I am sure I could ride that tire/wheel combo and actually receive a settlement from either Suzuki or the tire manufacturer even if I signed a waiver when I bought it! I dont think thats right, I just feel its reality today.
People get reimbursed every day in this country just for being an A$$. The manufacturers know it too. They take steps to scare off the timid from a lawsuit, and charge everyone more to pay for the ones that sue anyway :dontknow: :dontknow:

Personal responsibility seems to have been thrown out with the bath water...

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I would agree with you. Did you get money from McDonald's for having hot coffee? :a20:
 

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This is some confirmation on dimensions given in previous posts. Personally visited the Victory Dealer this afternoon and all literature on the Victory Hammer to include the micro-phic on the stock wheel confirm the 8.5 inch wide dimension from bead to bead. This dimension is the exact same dimension for the stock 109 rear wheel.

I'm not personally endorsing anyone to use a tire other than the stock Dunnie, D221 240/40-R18.

I do choose to use a Dunnie Elite 3, 250/40-R18 on my 109 knowing damn well that it's my a__ on the seat above. Given the exact width dimensions referenced above I'm comfortable that I will continue to have a safe cycle without decreased handling performance.

In closing I do agree with previous post on the issues of liability. Manufacturers clearly spell out tire info and recommendations in their perspective owners manual in addition to a host of other warnings from helmet use to modifications to stock exhaust systems ( not to many folks listen/heed the info )!  As I plan on using my 109 as a "street cruiser" and will likely never see 130 mph, bead separation is very unlikely. Come to think of it, other than the Salt Flats of Bonny, I don't ever recall any 130 mph speed limits ( another thing we don't heed )  :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
 

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moto said:
will the 260 metzler fit the 109 wheel
I have a slightly used one that I would sell cheap. I had it on a 260 vtx and converted that bike to a 330 chain drive. Only about 1000 miles on it i think.
 

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When you put the 250/40R18 on your M, let me know how the bikes handles. I really like the look of the fatter tire, but I don't really want to give up much if any handling. Thanks a lot.
 
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