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    Hey people,
    New owner here from Sydney in Australia.
    First time owning a cruiser and still getting my head around the whole thing.
    Need to stop trying to ride it like a sportsbike for one thing!
    So I wanted to ask a question, why did you choose the Suzuki over a Harley, which would seem the more obvious choice in America?
    I have my own reasons for not going that way but keen to hear yours.
    I'm not trying to be inflammatory or cause an argument I'm just very interested to hear what the current perception of HD is in the States.
    Anyway, enjoy the torque. I'm off to go and buy a bag of spare footpegs!
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    Quote Originally Posted by motoface View Post
    Hey people,
    New owner here from Sydney in Australia.
    First time owning a cruiser and still getting my head around the whole thing.
    Need to stop trying to ride it like a sportsbike for one thing!
    So I wanted to ask a question, why did you choose the Suzuki over a Harley, which would seem the more obvious choice in America?
    I have my own reasons for not going that way but keen to hear yours.
    I'm not trying to be inflammatory or cause an argument I'm just very interested to hear what the current perception of HD is in the States.
    Anyway, enjoy the torque. I'm off to go and buy a bag of spare footpegs!
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    Go ask the HD forum first lol

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    First I think Harley is just way to expensive (you’re paying for the name). I bought my “9” through the car dealership I work at, some guy traded her for a truck, his loss is my gain. Like you I never owned a cruiser but I don’t believe I will go back. I’m 70 and I think I’m reliving my youth and that’s not a bad thing. I own a 2011 M109R and love her to pieces.


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    Why try stopping trying to ride it like a sport bike?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 109eater View Post
    Go ask the HD forum first lol

    Can you imagine the amount of flaming I'd get!!! :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by W8INLINE View Post
    Why try stopping trying to ride it like a sport bike?
    Well the lack of ground clearance for one thing.
    I'm not saying you can't get a move on just needs to be approached in a different way.

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    Keep riding it like a sport bike. By your pic it looks like you've got the lean angle down. It's definitely different than a sport bike and like you say, need to approach it differently. Take awhile to get used to it


    Why not a Harley? performance without spending an additional 10s of thousands of dollars to get the performance of a 9. The new 114ci Harley stock is 86hp. Reliability. I ride with lots of Harley guys and they are always bitching cause something is always going wrong. To customize there are endless things you can get for a 9 just like a Harley. Harley's all look the same unless someone spent at least $50,000 on it and lots much more. Been riding Metric for 41 years now. They are bullet proof
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    Thanks for the replies people.
    I assume Metric means CC rather than Cubes.
    Yeah these seem incredible money for the metal.
    I have other issues with HD myself, mainly the amount of baggage they come with.
    And by that I mean the wannabe bad boy vibe which is old news now.
    I really don't want people to think I'm trying to be a pretend Angel.
    Anyway, sun's out so I'm off to make some sparks.
    Cheers peeps.

    Hey one last question...what would you buy as an equivalent if you had to choose a different manufacturer...including HD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by motoface View Post
    Thanks for the replies people.
    I assume Metric means CC rather than Cubes.
    Yeah these seem incredible money for the metal.
    I have other issues with HD myself, mainly the amount of baggage they come with.
    And by that I mean the wannabe bad boy vibe which is old news now.
    I really don't want people to think I'm trying to be a pretend Angel.
    Anyway, sun's out so I'm off to make some sparks.
    Cheers peeps.

    Hey one last question...what would you buy as an equivalent if you had to choose a different manufacturer...including HD.

    I'd never buy HD for same reason you said. As for other Metric meaning for me Japanese bikes. I love my 9 and have it modded to the way I love it more. I can ride all day long and have a blast

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    Quote Originally Posted by motoface View Post
    Thanks for the replies people.
    I assume Metric means CC rather than Cubes.
    Yeah these seem incredible money for the metal.
    I have other issues with HD myself, mainly the amount of baggage they come with.
    And by that I mean the wannabe bad boy vibe which is old news now.
    I really don't want people to think I'm trying to be a pretend Angel.
    Anyway, sun's out so I'm off to make some sparks.
    Cheers peeps.

    Hey one last question...what would you buy as an equivalent if you had to choose a different manufacturer...including HD.
    I was chatting with a Harley owner the other night and he called my bike a "beast". He was seriously impressed. He was griping about maintenance, an oil change costs him $450 and he can't do it himself because it requires special tools and techniques.

    As far as other bikes are concerned, I'd only really be interested in a Ducati XDiavel or even a Scrambler. The only Harley I even considered owning was the V-rod, and Harley purists would say it isn't even a real Harley.
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    Why not a Harley? Well, I own (in the process of selling) an Indian Roadmaster. It's very comparable to a HD-air cooled motor, horribly overpriced and underpowered. I made the decision to sell it and get the 9 first due to the big payment, really wanted out from under that. 2nd-in the heat of summer an air-cooled bike sucks-they bake your legs when in slow traffic. Third, the 9 actually has some performance-especially compared to an Indian or HD. The low-end torque spec matches the Indian 111 at 118 ft-lbs-but the Indian quits pulling at about 3000 rpm, while the 9 is just starting. I'm on the Indian today for the first time since getting the 9-nearly got creamed pulling out in traffic and forgetting that it doesn't accelerate like the Boulevard. The liquid-cooled motor should last far longer than the HD mill-I hear far too many stories of Harleys in the shop for complete rebuilds by 50k miles. To say nothing of expensive fixes just to make them last (cam gear drive for example). The 9 looks better than any HD (or Indian)-to me. And finally-the 9 actually fits me, my feet and legs don't feel cramped on it. They do on Harleys, at least based on the touring bikes of theirs I tried.

    Oh yeah, one more thing-you don't have to spend thousands on "Screeching Eagle" crap just to make more noise. The running joke is that Harley Davidson is the most efficient way to turn gasoline into noise, without the side effect of horsepower.

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    For a number of reasons, many having been stated as above - an unjustifiably inflated price being a major one.

    I will admit, I still browse Ducati Diavel's and heavily customized V-Rods in my Instagram feed as I find them similarly awesome looking to my '9 - starting at 50% or more $$$ of course... For reference, I just read this in an article: "Introduced in 2001, the V-Rod was intended to compete with Japanese motorcycles that many riders were flocking to as reliable, low-cost Harley alternatives." Intended to compete with Japanese motorcycles... as reliable, low-cost Harley alternatives. I would argue they weren't as much Harley "alternatives," suggesting that buying a Harley is your only choice... unless you buy something else (?!), but more likely the Japanese bikes were/are plainly superior in those key features a large class of motorcycle buyers valued - like cost, reliability and performance for example.

    I never had any real interest in HD's, right from the start - the brand is completely "off" for me; ironically, except for the *look* of a customized VRod, which they coincidentally invented to compete with the class of bike I eventually bought anyway, and have since discontinued as of 2018... go figure. I have always found HD's, although many being visually "old car" sort of classy in their design, to be pegging their inflated prices FAR too much on brand instead of performance and style. I read another article which compared Harley Davidson to an historical conversation between Lee Iacocca of Chrysler and Bob Lutz. Iacocca wanted to know what Lutz thought about his new car, the Chrysler Imperial. Essentially Lutz stomped all over the Imperial suggesting it was made for *future* buyers, once they were old and bored enough to buy the car - because it looked like a car which might have been cool when they were kids; they were not built for *today's* buyers. Current HD design was compared as doing the same:

    "Lutz was right about the Imperial and it was a massive flop. Harley can’t sit around and wait for Millennials to get older hoping we’ll suddenly like their bikes when we hit 40-years-old. We don’t like them now and we still won’t like them when we’re old unless a major brand overhaul takes place."
    So for me... that's why. I find HD's unjustifiably WAY overpriced, riding on brand perception for aging wealthy label-conscious owners or those who just don't know any better, with most HD bikes sporting a dated style catering to a very specific market class... which doesn't include me.

    Congratulations on your new '9 - you chose well.
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    Everywhere you turn you see a HD. Probably wouldn't know which was mine and they are way too expensive. Would probably go Triumph R3 or T-Bird Storm if not for the 9.
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    I honestly can’t think of any other bike built by any other manufacturer that would sufficiently satisfy me as a viable replacement for my 9s. In my opinion, they all either lack torque & performance, or eye-appeal, or in many instances...both. The only thing I would ever want to replace a 9 with would be an upgraded and more improved version of the 9. I really loved the looks of the Victory Cross Country and the Magnum, although they were also lacking in torque and performance in comparison to the 9. I knew if I bought one I would have to get some performance upgrade work/mods done to it to make me feel better about it. But, once Polaris decided to drop the entire line of Victory bikes I totally lost interest in them. I’m glad they announced it before I purchased one.

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    I liked the looks of the Nine from the first time I saw one. The fact that it has a strong motor, handles well for a cruiser, and fits me well are other plusses for me. The fact that Harley's are as common as water has kept me on Japanese bikes.

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    When the Nine's first came out here, they were all black. Didn't catch my eye at all. Never even noticed them. Then one day, while shopping for a M50 for the now ex, she said "you should buy that silver bike over there". That caught my eye. Had it the next month.

    Harley? Surely you jest. Test rode one one year, think 92, Springer Soft Tail. When I got back, salesm an asked "ready to buy it?" I'm like, "surely you jest!"

    Judah knows I have a B-King. Now only does it have the hp, it also has torque. Can roll around on that in 5th or 6th gear, and not need to downshift to get launched to the moon!
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    Yeah I tried out the Diavel 1260...crazy bonkers stuff that is but 1/3 more cash. Also a total license burner.


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    License burner? LOL! That would be a good description of my B-King as well. 1340cc, DOHC, 16 valve, twin injectors per cylinder, 185 hp in the form mine is in, on the ground. It'll launch you into orbit with unbelievable ease! Bought it from a friend in 2017. He'd been trying to get me to buy it from him for several years. told him I didn't want it because I would likely lose my license in short order. Reality, it hasn't happened, knock on wood. I ride it like I stole it. It's so darn easy to do. WHOOSH!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cbxer55 View Post
    License burner? LOL! That would be a good description of my B-King as well. 1340cc, DOHC, 16 valve, twin injectors per cylinder, 185 hp in the form mine is in, on the ground. It'll launch you into orbit with unbelievable ease! Bought it from a friend in 2017. He'd been trying to get me to buy it from him for several years. told him I didn't want it because I would likely lose m7y license in short order. Reality, it hasn't happened, knock on wood. I ride it like I stole it. It's so darn easy to do. WHOOSH!!!!
    Shhhhhh! Never say that out loud lest you anger the license gods.

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    B King looks like a must have. Just found one for sale in Canada. $6000 so under $4000 American

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    What about a GSX1400

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyingCircus View Post
    B King looks like a must have. Just found one for sale in Canada. $6000 so under $4000 American
    It is, believe me. You'll not regret it. You'd regret the GSXR, due to the extreme riding position. THe B-King has what used to be known as Super Bike bars. They clamp onto risers just like the Nine, so can be easily changed for any tubular bar out there if they're a tad low for you. They're not near as bad as a GSXR would be. Kind of half way between straight up and way leaned over. I find it comfortable myself. But hey, I'm one of a few that went with drop risers instead of extended risers. And have my bars rotated down as far as I can get them withou hitting the tank at full lock.

    I paid $7000 for mine. But it already had the $1000 + Yoshimura exhaust on it, and only had 3200 miles. Plus it was a friend, so wasn't going to argue with him over it.

    Just be aware that even more so than the Nine, on the King, you'd better have your wits about you when you crack the throttle all the way to the stop. It Will lift the front wheel with an ease you won't believe. And you'd best have your azz planted against the pad at the back of the seat when you do. And hold on for dear life. It's a land bound ICBM! It scared me for quite some time. I'm almost afraid to say I'm used to it now! LOL!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyingCircus View Post
    What about a GSX1400
    I wouldn't know if it has anywhere near the same kind of power the King does. The King has two injectors per cylinder, primary and secondary. The secondary's start adding at 4500 rpm. At 80% throttle and 8000 rpm, they are providing 75% of the mixture being consumed. That's a lot of fuel for an add-on injector. And let me tell you brother, you know when them secondaries kick in.

    The King has a two mode power system, A and B. B turns off the secondaries. It drops the power from 185 at the rear wheel t

    And you want to get into the secondaries any time you ride it, lest they get plugged from lack of use. It is an issue. So, every time you ride, you got to let it all hang out at least once. Bwahaha!!!
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    Just looked up the specs for the GSX1400. Nope, not up to B-King standards. Remember, the B-King has a slightly de-tuned Hayabusa motor. It's only de-tuned due to the exhaust and intake design. Hayabusa has ram air, B-K has cold air intake, but not ram air. The GSX1400 has a 9000 rpm red-line, the B-K 10,500. Also the reviews say it's totally unnecessary to go past 7000 rpm as the power delivery falls off fast after that. Sounds boring. Sounds like it makes less power than t he B-K does in Mode B.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cbxer55 View Post
    When the Nine's first came out here, they were all black. Didn't catch my eye at all. Never even noticed them. Then one day, while shopping for a M50 for the now ex, she said "you should buy that silver bike over there". That caught my eye. Had it the next month.

    Harley? Surely you jest. Test rode one one year, think 92, Springer Soft Tail. When I got back, salesm an asked "ready to buy it?" I'm like, "surely you jest!"

    Judah knows I have a B-King. Now only does it have the hp, it also has torque. Can roll around on that in 5th or 6th gear, and not need to downshift to get launched to the moon!
    Since you DO have what is basically a naked sport bike (B-King) and a 9, please confirm the difference in how you’re able to ride/maneuver each of them in and out of curves without crashing, and just how different each bike performs. I’m firmly convinced that “no one” can maneuver the 9 at the same level of aggression as they would/could a sport bike, due to the drastic differences in each bike design. Yes, you can push the 9 in curves fairly aggressively, but there are serious limitations to just how much.

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    Congrats on the new ride! I liked the Harley Vrod until I sat on one. It felt like my 6'3" body was on a 20" bicycle. The Yamaha Raider was my next choice until I saw the 109 while surfing the net for V-Twin motorcycles. When I saw the 109 in person, it was love at first sight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyingCircus View Post
    What about a GSX1400
    I'd recommend looking at the GSXR 1000 if you like the 1400. The GSXR has a lot of cool electronics like launch control, traction control, automatic or 6 speed transmission and I think I read they are 200hp. It's a rape ape.
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    Here is my garage at the moment. (I have 2 more that I am selling in another garage.) I would NEVER own a Hardly Ableson. 50 year old technology, under-powered, vibrating crap that mostly wannabe yuppies buy. Then they buy everything that Hardly sells - boots, pants, shirts, jackets, hats, stickers, etc etc etc. From that point on, all they do is talk about how great Hardly Ableson is, and how no other bike compares.

    There are some people who don't fit this mold, but in my experience, 90% of the hardly owners do. My personal opinion, ymmv.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishman349 View Post
    I'd recommend looking at the GSXR 1000 if you like the 1400. The GSXR has a lot of cool electronics like launch control, traction control, automatic or 6 speed transmission and I think I read they are 200hp. It's a rape ape.
    I've always owned naked sport bikes. Don't like being so restricted in riding position of a sport bike. I've ridden GSXRs and love the power band width but like to be more upright than huntched over and limited leg movement

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyingCircus View Post
    I've always owned naked sport bikes. Don't like being so restricted in riding position of a sport bike. I've ridden GSXRs and love the power band width but like to be more upright than huntched over and limited leg movement

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    That's one of the things I like about the King. All the poser of a Hayabusa in a more rider friendly riding position. It has an extended swingarm over the Busa, to allow the exhaust to pass through it to get up under the tail. Helps with the wheelies a little bit. Still really necessary to lay low over the tank when going crazy. That helps a little too.
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