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    Quote Originally Posted by JUDAH-9 View Post
    Since you DO have what is basically a naked sport bike (B-King) and a 9, please confirm the difference in how you’re able to ride/maneuver each of them in and out of curves without crashing, and just how different each bike performs. I’m firmly convinced that “no one” can maneuver the 9 at the same level of aggression as they would/could a sport bike, due to the drastic differences in each bike design. Yes, you can push the 9 in curves fairly aggressively, but there are serious limitations to just how much.
    The B-King has a considerably shorter wheelbase compared to the Mack Truck Nine. So yeah, it can be tossed around corners a lot easier. Had new tires put on her last year, and believe it or not they're Shenko's. They aren't going to last 5000 miles ,but they are some sticky tires. I knew it as soon as I got on it when I picked it up. My very first thought, "these tires are super sticky." But it's no lightweight, weights near 600 pounds stock, and the only weight loss on mine is the stock exhaust. Don't know how heavy it is, it's still in my friends attic. Where it'll likely stay.

    Don't get the reference to crashing? Are you implying that by riding two motorcycles that are so different, that one would crash a lot? I can take my Nine out and thrash it for 50 to 100 miles, come home and park it, grab the King and go out and do it all over again. Hey, the Nine has a cable clutch, the King hydraulic. I don't even have a problem with that.

    I love my M109R, and will never sell it until Hades freezes over. But I do find myself riding and enjoying the King more often lately. It's so lithe and agile when compared to the Nine. And the way it sounds with the Yoshimura exhaust, it sounds like it's just waiting to go to the moon rev wise. One day when lunch time came up, I hopped on it to go throw it around my favorite set of curves. I took off out of the parking lot, a long straight, and let her rip. When I got back, a guy I work with, also a bike rider, said "that Yoshimura exhaust sounds badass!"
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    Back in 2015 when I was looking to switch from supersports to a cruiser my top choices were the 9, the stryker and the HD night rod. That year I went to a company conference and one of the speakers there was Ken Schmidt, the former director of communications strategy for HD. He joined HD back in the mid 80's when the company was struggling to help restore the company's image and help create demand for the brand. during his 2 hour talk he made it very clear that by focused advertising campaigns the goal was to create a brand where when people walked into a show room they were already sold on the name and owning a harley will give you status. He said I remember that their goal was to get people to make an emotional connection to harleys so when they are buying they basically don't use their brain...lol... He compared the Honda Shadow to a Harley saying that the honda although an awesome bike a harley sold for $24000 would outsell the $8000 shadow 10:1 although machine to machine the HD is not worth 3 times more. All this because the salvation for Harley came from building their perceived value, and less on quality of product.

    To make a long story short, I never really felt the need to "belong" or "fit in" so I made a decision without worrying about making a purchase based on how cool other bike owners would think I am, but more about riding 3 bikes without an emotional connection to a badge and deciding based on that 20 minute experience. I bet most Harley owners would not buy a Harley if it didn't come with a badge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cbxer55 View Post
    The B-King has a considerably shorter wheelbase compared to the Mack Truck Nine. So yeah, it can be tossed around corners a lot easier. Had new tires put on her last year, and believe it or not they're Shenko's. They aren't going to last 5000 miles ,but they are some sticky tires. I knew it as soon as I got on it when I picked it up. My very first thought, "these tires are super sticky." But it's no lightweight, weights near 600 pounds stock, and the only weight loss on mine is the stock exhaust. Don't know how heavy it is, it's still in my friends attic. Where it'll likely stay.

    Don't get the reference to crashing? Are you implying that by riding two motorcycles that are so different, that one would crash a lot? I can take my Nine out and thrash it for 50 to 100 miles, come home and park it, grab the King and go out and do it all over again. Hey, the Nine has a cable clutch, the King hydraulic. I don't even have a problem with that.

    I love my M109R, and will never sell it until Hades freezes over. But I do find myself riding and enjoying the King more often lately. It's so lithe and agile when compared to the Nine. And the way it sounds with the Yoshimura exhaust, it sounds like it's just waiting to go to the moon rev wise. One day when lunch time came up, I hopped on it to go throw it around my favorite set of curves. I took off out of the parking lot, a long straight, and let her rip. When I got back, a guy I work with, also a bike rider, said "that Yoshimura exhaust sounds badass!"
    My reference to crashing was to have you explain just how far/much you can push each bike aggressively in curves/twisties without going beyond the threshold that would certainly, or at least very-likely cause you to crash. With every bike the law of physics comes into play with regard to just how hard any particular bike can ridden without crashing, and I know for sure the two bikes you have are extremely different from one another in terms of just how hard each of them can be ridden safely. Your comment that your B-King is light and agile, compared to your 9 is the core of why I know (also from experience) that the 9 cannot be ridden just like a sport bike. However, I keep reading comments from people eluding to riding the 9 just like they did their sport bikes...and itís just not possible. I rode sport bikes for almost 20 years before I bought my first 9. For several years, I learned how to road/track race sport bikes on two of the most famous tracks in Germany...The Hockenheim Race Track and The Nurburgring Race Track, while I was stationed overseas. The track is where I vastly improved and honed my riding skills. Having owned a 2007 Kawasaki ZX14-R at the time I bought my first 9, I knew immediately after riding my 9 that I was not going to be able to ride it anywhere near the level and aggression I rode my ZX14-R, or any of my previous sport bikes. They were two totally different categories of bikes that were clearly designed for two totally different intended-purposes and styles of riding. I have and still do (sometimes) Ride my 9s hard, but nowhere near the level I did with my sport bikes, because I know the outcome will not be a good one.

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    Back in Kentucky around 2010, I went on Benefit Ride/Poker Run that was being held by some local MC. There were tons of Harley riders there, a few smaller Honda, Yamaha, and Kawasaki cruiser riders, and some sport bike riders. One guy had just purchased a brand new Harley V-Rod (white w/black, bold, solid stripe down the middle of the front fender, tank, and tail section). It was about 7-8months old at the time. I was riding my 2006 M109R that day. At several opportune moments during the ride everyone would crack their throttles on certain long and open stretches of road. I remember being at the back of the pack of cruisers the first time everyone took off, but after cracking my throttle I quickly sped past all of them, including the Harley V-Rod, which was about 3 bikes ahead of me. When we made our first fuel stop, the guy on the V-Rod came towards me walking very aggressively. Once he got to me, he said ďDamn man, what in the hell do you have in that bike? Iíve been trying to catch you since you passed me on the first rip. But, I could never catch you, because you kept pulling away.Ē I told him my 9 was an 06í with the Gen 1 Cobra FI2000 controller, TRE, and Raw Performance exhaust. He then went on to tell me that the only reason he bought his V-Rod was because he really wanted a muscle cruiser style bike. However, his first choice was a 9, but his local dealership had sold out all their 9s. He said the V-Rod was a disappointment to him, and he was going to trade it for a 9 the very first chance he got.

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    Quote Originally Posted by W8INLINE View Post
    Back in 2015 when I was looking to switch from supersports to a cruiser my top choices were the 9, the stryker and the HD night rod. That year I went to a company conference and one of the speakers there was Ken Schmidt, the former director of communications strategy for HD. He joined HD back in the mid 80's when the company was struggling to help restore the company's image and help create demand for the brand. during his 2 hour talk he made it very clear that by focused advertising campaigns the goal was to create a brand where when people walked into a show room they were already sold on the name and owning a harley will give you status. He said I remember that their goal was to get people to make an emotional connection to harleys so when they are buying they basically don't use their brain...lol... He compared the Honda Shadow to a Harley saying that the honda although an awesome bike a harley sold for $24000 would outsell the $8000 shadow 10:1 although machine to machine the HD is not worth 3 times more. All this because the salvation for Harley came from building their perceived value, and less on quality of product.
    I'm no advertising manager, but keenly aware of their tricks and techniques - and THIS makes perfect sense to what I "see and feel" every time I reluctantly make my annual pilgrimage to HD to buy an HD friend a gift. Everything from the layout of the store, to the staff uniforms, consistent colour scheme, no-receipt-required customer database... all designed to basically masturbate money out of your wallet, so you feel good about it when they're done with you.

    To make a long story short, I never really felt the need to "belong" or "fit in" so I made a decision without worrying about making a purchase based on how cool other bike owners would think I am, but more about riding 3 bikes without an emotional connection to a badge and deciding based on that 20 minute experience. I bet most Harley owners would not buy a Harley if it didn't come with a badge.
    ^^ this. The branded *badge* is cleverly integrated into the feeling of somehow being special enough to own one - my last trip to Port Dover 13th - HD had a booth and HD owners were lined up waiting for their special pin, only available to HD owners... because they are special. Clever indeed.


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    During my very last class (Global Organization) to complete my MBA Degree back in June 2018, I had to do a 10-12 page research paper on the domestic and globalization business practices of Harley Davidson. Just to get to the clear and final meat of it all, my research provided clear documentation as to how Harley has very deceptively found methods to sell the Harley status, so-called Harley prestige, lifestyle, and experience to millions upon millions of (what I consider) very ignorant people who made and continue to make emotional decisions to become Harley owners, primarily due to the well-scripted sales pitches, advertising, and marketing strategies they fell for. Just to show how ignorant many people are here in America...How many of you have had people (many of whom own bikes themselves) ask you if your Suzuki Boulevard M109R was in fact a Harley? Additionally, from innovative, technological, quality, dependability, durability, and performance perspectives Harley is still living in the dark ages. However, they continue to thrive as a manufacturer/organization, due to a devoted and delirious customer base that buys their worthless products without realizing theyíre paying much more while receiving much less. Lastly, Iíve lost count of the number of Harley owners Iíve pissed off, due to either the performance or the esthetics, or a combination of both, regarding my 9s compared to their Harleyís. I really pissed off a whole-host of them several years ago back in Kentucky, when I rode my bike to watch a bike contest, and my friend urged me to enter my 07í M109R in the cruiser category. I beat out every Harley there, won my first bike contest, and they were as hot as a firecracker at 12:00 noon on the 4th of July. My friend and I laughed all the way home.😂😂😂 One thing Iím very sure of is this...I will stop riding bikes altogether, before I ever own a Harley.

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    Quote Originally Posted by W8INLINE View Post
    Back in 2015 when I was looking to switch from supersports to a cruiser my top choices were the 9, the stryker and the HD night rod. That year I went to a company conference and one of the speakers there was Ken Schmidt, the former director of communications strategy for HD. He joined HD back in the mid 80's when the company was struggling to help restore the company's image and help create demand for the brand. during his 2 hour talk he made it very clear that by focused advertising campaigns the goal was to create a brand where when people walked into a show room they were already sold on the name and owning a harley will give you status. He said I remember that their goal was to get people to make an emotional connection to harleys so when they are buying they basically don't use their brain...lol... He compared the Honda Shadow to a Harley saying that the honda although an awesome bike a harley sold for $24000 would outsell the $8000 shadow 10:1 although machine to machine the HD is not worth 3 times more. All this because the salvation for Harley came from building their perceived value, and less on quality of product.

    To make a long story short, I never really felt the need to "belong" or "fit in" so I made a decision without worrying about making a purchase based on how cool other bike owners would think I am, but more about riding 3 bikes without an emotional connection to a badge and deciding based on that 20 minute experience. I bet most Harley owners would not buy a Harley if it didn't come with a badge.

    I understand that 100%

    It's all about the brand and status that brand brings. Since we're not sheep, I guess we are the wolves that don't conform but outperform
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    Quote Originally Posted by cbxer55 View Post
    Just looked up the specs for the GSX1400. Nope, not up to B-King standards. Remember, the B-King has a slightly de-tuned Hayabusa motor. It's only de-tuned due to the exhaust and intake design. Hayabusa has ram air, B-K has cold air intake, but not ram air. The GSX1400 has a 9000 rpm red-line, the B-K 10,500. Also the reviews say it's totally unnecessary to go past 7000 rpm as the power delivery falls off fast after that. Sounds boring. Sounds like it makes less power than t he B-K does in Mode B.
    I've been toying with a ZX-14R as my next bike, but your posts have me interested in a B-King. Looks like a pretty awesome machine. How would you compare it to a Super Duke R or GT, or a H2 SX SE?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IdahoRenegade View Post
    I've been toying with a ZX-14R as my next bike, but your posts have me interested in a B-King. Looks like a pretty awesome machine. How would you compare it to a Super Duke R or GT, or a H2 SX SE?
    I got one, you wonít regret it.goes like a cut snake

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    I think most here, who put longer risers on their Nines, won't like the riding position of that ZX-14 at all.
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    Even without extended risers the ZX-14R is not nearly as comfortable as the 9 in terms of the riding position it puts you in...especially for those of us who are up in age a bit. Iím speaking from experience, and itís the primary reason why I sold my ZX-14R eight months after I purchased my first M109R.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JUDAH-9 View Post
    Even without extended risers the ZX-14R is not nearly as comfortable as the 9 in terms of the riding position it puts you in...especially for those of us who are up in age a bit. Iím speaking from experience, and itís the primary reason why I sold my ZX-14R eight months after I purchased my first M109R.
    Risers worked well me on the zx14

    His does it feel going from a smooth as silk to a 109?

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    Thanks for all the responses guys..appreciate it.
    What sort of terminal speeds are you lot seeing...obviously all made up officer!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 109eater View Post
    Risers worked well me on the zx14

    His does it feel going from a smooth as silk to a 109?
    Well, for me that "smooth as silk" inline four on my B-King puts my hands to sleep in ten minutes or less. Not so with my Nine, it takes about an hour on that beast. So much for "smooth as silk". Love the B-K, but it sure gets my hand atingling FAST!

    Why the Fock are you here anyways? Get lost. FOAD. ESAD.

    One day, on my favorite set of twisties, I passed a Busa in a corner. Not much better than a ZX14. Loved that one! It was The Most!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cbxer55 View Post
    Well, for me that "smooth as silk" inline four on my B-King puts my hands to sleep in ten minutes or less. Not so with my Nine, it takes about an hour on that beast. So much for "smooth as silk". Love the B-K, but it sure gets my hand atingling FAST!

    Why the Fock are you here anyways? Get lost. FOAD. ESAD.

    One day, on my favorite set of twisties, I passed a Busa in a corner. Not much better than a ZX14. Loved that one! It was The Most!
    Put your gun away cowboy, your hands going to sleep cause your holding it to tight, and I donít mean the throttle you tool

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    Quote Originally Posted by 109eater View Post
    Put your gun away cowboy, your hands going to sleep cause your holding it to tight, and I don’t mean the throttle you tool
    My gun's a 1911 in .45ACP. Yours??


    And its' too. Too tight. Cowgirl.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cbxer55 View Post
    My gun's a 1911 in .45ACP. Yours??


    And its' too. Too tight. Cowgirl.


    Same punk, one on each hip

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    Quote Originally Posted by 109eater View Post
    Risers worked well me on the zx14

    His does it feel going from a smooth as silk to a 109?
    I think you misread my previous comments. What I meant for others to understand was...even without extended risers on the M109R the riding position on ZX14-R is still nowhere near as comfortable as the M109R. I wasnít referring to the risers on the ZX14-R. Also, Iím curious to know if you own, or have you ever owned an M109R? If so, what was your experience with the M109R. As for me, my selling my ZX14-R had nothing to do with whether it was a smoother ride or not (most bike riders know that sport bikes generally run smoother than big V-Twin bikes). It had everything to do with the much better comfort of the riding position on the M109R. As well, although sport bikes provide a smoother ride, they beat the body up to the point that most canít/wonít ride them for distances or extended hours at a time. I sold mine, because I got tired of feeling like I had just finished a game of tackle football after riding for a couple of hours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JUDAH-9 View Post
    I think you misread my previous comments. What I meant for others to understand was...even without extended risers on the M109R the riding position on ZX14-R is still nowhere near as comfortable as the M109R. I wasnít referring to the risers on the ZX14-R. Also, Iím curious to know if you own, or have you ever owned an M109R? If so, what was your experience with the M109R. As for me, my selling my ZX14-R had nothing to do with whether it was a smoother ride or not (most bike riders know that sport bikes generally run smoother than big V-Twin bikes). It had everything to do with the much better comfort of the riding position on the M109R. As well, although sport bikes provide a smoother ride, they beat the body up to the point that most canít/wonít ride them for distances or extended hours at a time. I sold mine, because I got tired of feeling like I had just finished a game of tackle football after riding for a couple of hours.
    Yes, bought brand new 2006.
    Owned for 10 years, thought Iíd sell it before it wasnít worth anything .

    Traded my R1 for an M109. Sold the 9 ....Bought a zx14...... sold that, then bought a R3 roadster, missed the zx14 so I sold the R3 for another zx14r, no doubt ill go back to a cruiser one day when age catches up with me .

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    Quote Originally Posted by cbxer55 View Post
    Well, for me that "smooth as silk" inline four on my B-King puts my hands to sleep in ten minutes or less. Not so with my Nine, it takes about an hour on that beast. So much for "smooth as silk". Love the B-K, but it sure gets my hand atingling FAST!

    Why the Fock are you here anyways? Get lost. FOAD. ESAD.

    One day, on my favorite set of twisties, I passed a Busa in a corner. Not much better than a ZX14. Loved that one! It was The Most!
    CBXER55, please donít entertain the nonsense Bro. Whether or not heís trying to push buttons here, just ignore the temptation to respond. Itís better for all the members of our Forum if/when all of us refrain from the back and forth bantering with one another. Hereís something to marinate on...A fire ALWAYS dies out without its source of fuel...so, if we donít supply fuel to someoneís fire it will certainly die quickly.

    We have to be bigger than our circumstances...even when weíre tempted to lash back.

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    I understand that. I went back and looked at all of his very few posts before deciding to respond. Doesn't seem he has anything nice to say about anything since he joined here. Maybe he'll go away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JUDAH-9 View Post
    CBXER55, please donít entertain the nonsense Bro. Whether or not heís trying to push buttons here, just ignore the temptation to respond. Itís better for all the members of our Forum if/when all of us refrain from the back and forth bantering with one another. Hereís something to marinate on...A fire ALWAYS dies out without its source of fuel...so, if we donít supply fuel to someoneís fire it will certainly die quickly.

    We have to be bigger than our circumstances...even when weíre tempted to lash back.
    Doesnít take much to push his buttons lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by 109eater View Post
    Doesnít take much to push his buttons lol
    Usually just some asshat with a bad attitude who never posts anything contributory to the site.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cbxer55 View Post
    Usually just some asshat with a bad attitude who never posts anything contributory to the site.

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    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


    LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 109eater View Post
    Yes, bought brand new 2006.
    Owned for 10 years, thought Iíd sell it before it wasnít worth anything .

    Traded my R1 for an M109. Sold the 9 ....Bought a zx14...... sold that, then bought a R3 roadster, missed the zx14 so I sold the R3 for another zx14r, no doubt ill go back to a cruiser one day when age catches up with me .
    What was your experience regarding the comfort and how you felt after riding the M109R vs the ZX14-R? Did you experience any body aches after riding the ZX14-R for 2 or more hours continuously?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JUDAH-9 View Post
    What was your experience regarding the comfort and how you felt after riding the M109R vs the ZX14-R? Did you experience any body aches after riding the ZX14-R for 2 or more hours continuously?
    From my experience you get a few aches and painĎs on any bike I have had, usually a numb arse, I just deal with it...the motto over here is stop revive survive.

    On the 9 I used to get sore arms at higher speeds when the wind is belting on your chest.

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