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    Does anyone have any experience with the two options meancycles has listed for 300 swing arms?

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    While i cant offer personal experience I can share with you what ive picked up about the different swingarm mods.


    You mention 2 Options through Mean Cycles but if im not mistaken there are/were I think 4 different designs which were (listed in no particular order)
    1. a modified Stock Swingarm. The stock driveshaft side of the swingarm is ground out at the area where the tire would rub enough to account for tire expansion at highway speeds. Considering there have been more then a couple bikes where the UNMODIFIED stock Swingarm broke out of the blue with No Obvious reason you wouldnt catch me putting one of those on my bike! Purposefully removing material on my Swingarm in order to squeeze a fatter tire in the space is not Something I would Considered or Advocate but that is Just MY Opinion and there have been members who have went this route and couldnt be happier!

    2. A Rounded Tube aftermarket Swingarm made by cyclehouse (version 1 i believe). If i remember correctly this version was 1 piece but was made to allow the clearance needed to fit up to a 300mm, maybe even 310mm. This came in chrome or preped for paint. There were alot of warping and fitment issues which turned it into more of a project that most people were not equipped to handle as they were expecting, and rightly so, A Out of the Box Bolt on swap which wasnt the case. This was however the Best Looking version IMHO, but looks mean nothing if it dont work!

    3. Version 2 from Cycle House ( As i stated above I may be wrong about who the maker of which design is so please verify this info) This version was made from rectangular stock material on the right side that came in 2 pieces. Once mounted and properly fitted to the bike you will now have the ability to Unbolt the Swingarm portion (right side) without the need to remove the entire part.
    I do remember a few minor fitment issues but by far this is the style most members seemed to be the most satisfied with.

    4. The 4th style is a knockoff of the 2 piece cyclehouse kit version 2 and i dont know much beyond that or if that is even close to being factual!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latinrascal View Post
    While i cant offer personal experience I can share with you what ive picked up about the different swingarm mods.


    You mention 2 Options through Mean Cycles but if im not mistaken there are/were I think 4 different designs which were (listed in no particular order)
    1. a modified Stock Swingarm. The stock driveshaft side of the swingarm is ground out at the area where the tire would rub enough to account for tire expansion at highway speeds. Considering there have been more then a couple bikes where the UNMODIFIED stock Swingarm broke out of the blue with No Obvious reason you wouldnt catch me putting one of those on my bike! Purposefully removing material on my Swingarm in order to squeeze a fatter tire in the space is not Something I would Considered or Advocate but that is Just MY Opinion and there have been members who have went this route and couldnt be happier!

    2. A Rounded Tube aftermarket Swingarm made by cyclehouse (version 1 i believe). If i remember correctly this version was 1 piece but was made to allow the clearance needed to fit up to a 300mm, maybe even 310mm. This came in chrome or preped for paint. There were alot of warping and fitment issues which turned it into more of a project that most people were not equipped to handle as they were expecting, and rightly so, A Out of the Box Bolt on swap which wasnt the case. This was however the Best Looking version IMHO, but looks mean nothing if it dont work!

    3. Version 2 from Cycle House ( As i stated above I may be wrong about who the maker of which design is so please verify this info) This version was made from rectangular stock material on the right side that came in 2 pieces. Once mounted and properly fitted to the bike you will now have the ability to Unbolt the Swingarm portion (right side) without the need to remove the entire part.
    I do remember a few minor fitment issues but by far this is the style most members seemed to be the most satisfied with.

    4. The 4th style is a knockoff of the 2 piece cyclehouse kit version 2 and i dont know much beyond that or if that is even close to being factual!
    The 2 piece swing arm (#3 above) was not from Cyclehouse. It was sold by Swampworks. There were 2 versions of it as well because the first version had a couple of reports of a weak area where the shock mount was. The second version had that area beefed up.

    I have the Swampworks 2 piece swing arm on my 9. 2 piece is the way to go. It makes tire changes a breeze as long as you have short exhaust. I’m not familiar with the 2 versions MeanCycles has now. I would need to check them out, but if it is the same design as what Swampworks had, that is what I would recommend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poseidon View Post
    The 2 piece swing arm (#3 above) was not from Cyclehouse. It was sold by Swampworks. There were 2 versions of it as well because the first version had a couple of reports of a weak area where the shock mount was. The second version had that area beefed up.

    I have the Swampworks 2 piece swing arm on my 9. 2 piece is the way to go. It makes tire changes a breeze as long as you have short exhaust. Iím not familiar with the 2 versions MeanCycles has now. I would need to check them out, but if it is the same design as what Swampworks had, that is what I would recommend.
    Poseidon, Thanks for clearing that up for me.

    I Completely Forgot About Swampworks Although I was under the impression that Cycle house and swampworks sorta collaborated on the 2 piece version! do you know if this is the case or not?

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    I'm planning on buying one of these Mean Cycles arms next year, prepping for the next tire change. May or may not go for the 300, but the arm will make tire changes easier for a ten inch 280 combo. Has anyone here bought and fitted one of these arms yet? Because I recall some had some bad problems with one of these two-piece arms. The sheriff dude down in Texas being one of them. I recall he had a terrible time of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Latinrascal View Post
    Poseidon, Thanks for clearing that up for me.

    I Completely Forgot About Swampworks Although I was under the impression that Cycle house and swampworks sorta collaborated on the 2 piece version! do you know if this is the case or not?
    Im not sure who was making them, but I was under the impression it was not CycleHouse as they had competing products. I may be incorrect, but I think I remember someone saying that Andyís dad had something to do with the design or production of them. I could be wrong tho, so donít quote me on that.

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    I just went to MeanCycles site. That 2 piece swing arm looks just like the one Swampworks had. It is listed as a CycleHouse product. I wonder if they were the ones making them all along, or if they just bought the rights to make them, or possibly are purchasing them directly from whoever made them to begin with. Either way, they look enough alike that I would venture to say they are identical.



    Meancycles also has the old CycleHouse one piece design available.


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    Well damn, none of this gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling on dropping that kind of change on one. I was gonna go chrome too, which means if it needs modified it’s going to mess up the chrome playing .....hmmmm

    Which arm are you working with for your customer ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigpapa View Post
    Well damn, none of this gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling on dropping that kind of change on one. I was gonna go chrome too, which means if it needs modified it’s going to mess up the chrome playing .....hmmmm

    Which arm are you working with for your customer ?
    Then i feel like we did you a great service so that you take it slowly
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigpapa View Post
    Well damn, none of this gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling on dropping that kind of change on one. I was gonna go chrome too, which means if it needs modified itís going to mess up the chrome playing .....hmmmm

    Which arm are you working with for your customer ?
    Me as well. Going to have to think really hard about dropping the kind of dough they want for a part that doesn't work properly. Don't really care about the welds, but the suspension parts not lining up is a big NO for me. Guess I won't be doing a 300 after all.
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    If it were me I would just Notch an original swingarm for the sidewalk clearance and be done with it.

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    FuturR and I have had some very in-depth conversations regarding the 300 Swing Arms being sold by MEANCYCLES. One of the major problems we found with all of them is that MEANCYCLES has produced absolutely NO information, specs, sales data, or customer reviews to validate the quality, durability, dependability, or fitment of either of the Swing Arms they provide. It sounds to me as though MEANCYCLES saw an opportunity left by the void created when Swampworks decided to shutdown their operation. But, MEANCYCLES has failed miserably to provide ANY assurance to potential buyers that their Swing Arms are safe, durable, dependable, made of high-quality/appropriate gauge steel, and accurately manufactured to fit perfectly on the M109R bikes consistently. At the cost of $1050.00 or any lower cost, having an inferior or defective Swing Arm installed could possibly create a matter of life or death for M109R owners. Thereís just too much at risk for any manufacturer or distributor of Swing Arms to ever lack giving customers complete and concise information regarding such a critical component to the safe riding of potential customers.

    Iíve personally spoken with at least 3 employees at MEANCYCLES over the last several months, having requested some facts/data to support their claim regarding the quality and fitment of their Swing Arm products. Each time, neither employee could provide any sort of information other than to tell me they have sold many of each of them. They donít have any customer reviews posted on their site about any of them either, which is a big red flag for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JUDAH-9 View Post
    FuturR and I have had some very in-depth conversations regarding the 300 Swing Arms being sold by MEANCYCLES. One of the major problems we found with all of them is that MEANCYCLES has produced absolutely NO information, specs, sales data, or customer reviews to validate the quality, durability, dependability, or fitment of either of the Swing Arms they provide. It sounds to me as though MEANCYCLES saw an opportunity left by the void created when Swampworks decided to shutdown their operation. But, MEANCYCLES has failed miserably to provide ANY assurance to potential buyers that their Swing Arms are safe, durable, dependable, made of high-quality/appropriate gauge steel, and accurately manufactured to fit perfectly on the M109R bikes consistently. At the cost of $1050.00 or any lower cost, having an inferior or defective Swing Arm installed could possibly create a matter of life or death for M109R owners. Thereís just too much at risk for any manufacturer or distributor of Swing Arms to ever lack giving customers complete and concise information regarding such a critical component to the safe riding of potential customers.

    Iíve personally spoken with at least 3 employees at MEANCYCLES over the last several months, having requested some facts/data to support their claim regarding the quality and fitment of their Swing Arm products. Each time, neither employee could provide any sort of information other than to tell me they have sold many of each of them. They donít have any customer reviews posted on their site about any of them either, which is a big red flag for me.
    Has anyone spoke to JC directly. If his website is correct, contacting CycleHouse might yield better info. It would be good to know if the 2 piece swingarm is the same design and manufacturer Swampworks used or if it is a new design or manufacturer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poseidon View Post
    Has anyone spoke to JC directly. If his website is correct, contacting CycleHouse might yield better info. It would be good to know if the 2 piece swingarm is the same design and manufacturer Swampworks used or if it is a new design or manufacturer.
    On a couple of the calls, I asked to speak with JC, because his employees could not answer any of my questions. Each time I was told he was not available. Subsequently, I requested to have him return my call, but I never heard back from him. My opinion is that his employees should be able to provide more information than simply ďwe have sold many of each of our Swing ArmsĒ without any additional data, specs, or customer reviews to support the companyís claim that they are advertising a quality product. JC is very aware of the history surrounding Swing Arms for the M109R, and he shouldíve had the foresight to know he would need concrete data and specs listed or available for a product that has been heavily scrutinized by the M109R community in the past. MEANCYCLES has no information available to substantiate the validity of either of their Swing Arms, which I find to be a HUGE mistake. Furthermore, I strongly doubt they have sold even a few of them, which would explain why there are no customer reviews available on their site, regarding their Swing Arms.

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    I was somewhat worried about the structural integrity of buying a botched one. Maybe I’m overthinking it

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    My last post was supposed to say notched one, not botched one

    I agree, I would feel so much better with some real life feedback on their options

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    I know a very few have done it in the past, but thereís ABSOLUTELY no way or reason on earth I would ever notch the stock Swing Arm or any Swing Arm, thereby very possibly compromising the integrity and strength of the metal in that area of the Swing Arm (it is not very thick there to begin with), which could/would also compromise my own safety. Moreover, weíre talking about using a 300 tire here. To fit a 300 tire on a 10Ē rear wheel inside of a notched stock Swing Arm, one would very likely have to make a notch so deep into the metal of the stock Swing Arm that it would create a hole in the Swing Arm. No matter what one tries to do, a 300 rear setup is not going to fit safely into a notched stock Swing Arm without creating an accident waiting to happen. No where on the Swing Arm should the metal be cut into for any reason. The risks are just too high in my opinion.

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    What exactly do you wana do i have a metzler 280 on mine and i used sumo x and didnt have to change swing arm at all with 10in rim i got mine directly from kurt at sumo-x he painted my bike
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    Quote Originally Posted by pjs View Post
    What exactly do you wana do i have a metzler 280 on mine and i used sumo x and didnt have to change swing arm at all with 10in rim i got mine directly from kurt at sumo-x he painted my bike
    The OP is wanting to go to a 300 rear tire setup. That canít be accomplished without going to an aftermarket 300 Swing Arm and modifying the rear inner fender. The 280 setup you have on your 9 is is nice, and many are running with that setup. The brand of wheel is used doesnít matter, as long as the wheel is made to fit an M109R. Changing the Swing Arm is not required when running any brand 10Ē wheel made to fit an M109R with a 280 rear tire mounted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pjs View Post
    What exactly do you wana do i have a metzler 280 on mine and i used sumo x and didnt have to change swing arm at all with 10in rim i got mine directly from kurt at sumo-x he painted my bike
    10 inch rim and a 280 with stock swing arm has always worked.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by CMHGUY View Post
    10 inch rim and a 280 with stock swing arm has always worked.....
    As long as you like Metzeler tires that is a good option. If anyone wants Avon, they have to go with a 300 swingarm and modify the inner fender. I’m running a 280 Metzeler, but I have the 2piece swingarm and I’ve already modified the inner fender. That way I always have options. Options are good. What happens if Metzeler decides to quit making a 280, or if they redesign it and their 280 ends up being closer to a 300 in width? Kind of like Dunlop’s 250 being more like a 260 - 265 width tire. If that ever happens, your only options will be to either get the 300 swing arm and mod the inner fender, go back to stock width wheel on the rear, or hope another manufacturer sees and fills the gap by making a 280.

    That was the determining factor in why I did the mods for a 300 when I did my build, even tho I knew I would be running a 280 for my first 2 rear tires. After that, I have options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poseidon View Post
    As long as you like Metzeler tires that is a good option. If anyone wants Avon, they have to go with a 300 swingarm and modify the inner fender. Iím running a 280 Metzeler, but I have the 2piece swingarm and Iíve already modified the inner fender. That way I always have options. Options are good. What happens if Metzeler decides to quit making a 280, or if they redesign it and their 280 ends up being closer to a 300 in width? Kind of like Dunlopís 250 being more like a 260 - 265 width tire. If that ever happens, your only options will be to either get the 300 swing arm and mod the inner fender, go back to stock width wheel on the rear, or hope another manufacturer sees and fills the gap by making a 280.

    That was the determining factor in why I did the mods for a 300 when I did my build, even tho I knew I would be running a 280 for my first 2 rear tires. After that, I have options.
    That was very smart of you P. Although that was not my motive or approach to going with the 300 2-Piece Swing Arm, Modded Inner Fender, and 300 METZELER Tire on a 10Ē rear wheel, Iím glad I have those options in the event something like you described actually happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JUDAH-9 View Post
    That was very smart of you P. Although that was not my motive or approach to going with the 300 2-Piece Swing Arm, Modded Inner Fender, and 300 METZELER Tire on a 10Ē rear wheel, Iím glad I have those options in the event something like you described actually happens.
    It probably seems like a smarter idea than the way it actually happened. I ordered the wheels and tires first. 160/280 combo. Saw the 2 piece swing arm and thought it would be a good idea to make tire changes easier. At that point I figured if Iím going to have it torn down that far, I should look at air ride. It was around that time that I started thinking about options. Figured if I go ahead and do the inner fender while it was torn down, I would be all set for any 280 or 300 I wanted to run in the future. It was more a result of my mod disease than a motive for doing it.

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    Yeah, I currently have a 10” wheel with the 280 metzler. Was just looking to go to the 300 with aftermarket arm. Starting to wonder if it’s worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigpapa View Post
    Yeah, I currently have a 10Ē wheel with the 280 metzler. Was just looking to go to the 300 with aftermarket arm. Starting to wonder if itís worth it.
    Don't throw in the towel yet BP. If I were you, I would try contacting JC at MEANCYCLES and have him provide you information to confirm the 2-Piece Swing Arm his company is now selling for use on the M109R is being manufactured by Cycle House from the exact, 100% duplicated design rights they bought/obtained from SwampWorks Inc. I would also ask him if MEANCYCLES is offering any warranty and company backing in the event the Swing Arm malfunctions, or turns up any defects in the future. That is exactly what SwampWorks provided, in terms of service/support after the sale. If it is in fact the same 2-Piece Swing Arm Design originally created by SwampWorks Inc, it is a FABULOUS Swing Arm, and it is worth it not to give up hope just yet. Frankly, after reviewing the cost listed on their website, I think MEANCYCLES has formed a monopoly surrounding their 2-Piece Swing Arm, and as a result, has overpriced their cost for the Swing Arm, because they know thereís absolutely no competition out there for them, as a distributor of M109R Swing Arms. Thereís absolutely no reason that Swing Arm should cost $1050.00.

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    The price sucks, but that’s just smart business on their part if they can sell them. Supply and demand. Now my issue is paying that much and it potentially needing modified. Even that wouldn’t be earth shattering if I was going black. It could then be modified and recoated. I would go chrome, which would not be able to be modified without messing it up. Bottom line is if im paying a premium price, that **** should fit perfect without needing modified in any way .

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    I just spoke to JC, he was pretty open to his thoughts and the history behind these arms. He also seems willing to stand behind the product if something went wrong. Just wanted to put that out there since there has been a lot of discussion on the subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigpapa View Post
    I just spoke to JC, he was pretty open to his thoughts and the history behind these arms. He also seems willing to stand behind the product if something went wrong. Just wanted to put that out there since there has been a lot of discussion on the subject.
    Ask for that Guarantee in writing to cover shipping both ways in case of a defective part then it might be worth the PREMIUM PRICE tag!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latinrascal View Post
    Ask for that Guarantee in writing to cover shipping both ways in case of a defective part then it might be worth the PREMIUM PRICE tag!
    ^^^^ My sentiments exactly. He SHOULD get JC to provide the guarantee you articulated in writing via email, or in a typed letter mailed to his address prior to making the purchase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigpapa View Post
    The price sucks, but thatís just smart business on their part if they can sell them. Supply and demand. Now my issue is paying that much and it potentially needing modified. Even that wouldnít be earth shattering if I was going black. It could then be modified and recoated. I would go chrome, which would not be able to be modified without messing it up. Bottom line is if im paying a premium price, that **** should fit perfect without needing modified in any way .
    I'm with you man, I wouldn't want to pay that price, then have to whack it up to make it work, as FuturR has said he had to do. That's what concerns me, that we have a guy fitting one now who has had issues with it. All claims to the contrary, he had to cut off parts and weld new parts on to make it work. That's a BIG NO-GO for me. I'm not necessarily planning on going 300, but just making removing and installing a ten inch 280 combo easier. And the possibility of going 300 if I choose would then be there.
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