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    Heya folks, so yesterday I was changing the clutch cable and notice some oil moisture and a crack on this hose.
    It cracked even further when I removed it.
    It is supposed to be a hose that connect the water pump to the crankcase (per page 343 of the manual)

    Weird thing is that it's oil levels are good, and only had oil light on while idling in a traffic jam after the bike was running for more than an hour (which I thought it was normal).

    I am in the process of changing the hose, and muy question is,
    Could there be some hidden damage for using the bike like that?

    What else should I be checking? (and how to)

    The oil moisture have me thinking if it was because of this hose or is it something else.

    Thanks for your inputs!

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    That is a coolant line, you probably ran the coolant level low and overheated the bike.

    Check your FB post, I answered you over there also in a bit more detail.

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    Thanks man! The oily deposit threw me off!
    Quote Originally Posted by Bering_C_Sparky View Post
    That is a coolant line, you probably ran the coolant level low and overheated the bike.

    Check your FB post, I answered you over there also in a bit more detail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PanamaJack View Post
    Thanks man! The oily deposit threw me off!

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    Yea....you might want to drain your oil and check it just make sure its not milky or has coolant in it.

    If you overheated the bike coolant & oil possibly mixing from a cracked gasket is certainly not out of the question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bering_C_Sparky View Post
    Yea....you might want to drain your oil and check it just make sure its not milky or has coolant in it.

    If you overheated the bike coolant & oil possibly mixing from a cracked gasket is certainly not out of the question.

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    Had some white smoke on a morning ride after the bike was put through heavy rain, could it be just evaporation or could it be this that you mentioned?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PanamaJack View Post
    Had some white smoke on a morning ride after the bike was put through heavy rain, could it be just evaporation or could it be this that you mentioned?

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    Not sure if that would be connected to this or not, but for sure drain your oil and look at it good.

    I you have coolant mixing in the oil you will know right away when you see the oil.

    It will look similar to a light chocolate milk and will not look like honey or black oil.

    If you do find coolant mixed in your oil then I am very sorry.....its not a great sign and is not a cheap repair

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    Thanks for the heads up

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    If everything checks out ok, you will want to look into changing the hoses on your bike. They are made of rubber and like all rubber parts, they will crack and dry rot eventually. If one is doing it, they all will be in the near future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poseidon View Post
    If everything checks out ok, you will want to look into changing the hoses on your bike. They are made of rubber and like all rubber parts, they will crack and dry rot eventually. If one is doing it, they all will be in the near future.
    I fear that his bike is not going to check out ok though.

    Oily mixture in the coolant,
    Blowing white smoke out the exhaust
    and I will bet milky oil also when he drains it

    All point to blown head gasket....if he is lucky that's all it will be.

    But I agree on the hoses, my bike is low miles but still going on 12 years old, time for new hoses this time home.

    Maintenance is much cheaper than repairs.

    And a temperature gauge would be a welcome addition on the 9 as well.

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    Does anyone run silocone hoses on their bikes and if so do you know of a company that makes a custom (prebent) set for our bikes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 84yota View Post
    Does anyone run silocone hoses on their bikes and if so do you know of a company that makes a custom (prebent) set for our bikes?
    Found some on Ebay for $75 shipped with 3 colors to choose from.

    Says they "Ship from the United States" but who knows where it was made.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/SUZUKI-BOUL...-/111839099803

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bering_C_Sparky View Post
    I fear that his bike is not going to check out ok though.

    Oily mixture in the coolant,
    Blowing white smoke out the exhaust
    and I will bet milky oil also when he drains it

    All point to blown head gasket....if he is lucky that's all it will be.

    But I agree on the hoses, my bike is low miles but still going on 12 years old, time for new hoses this time home.

    Maintenance is much cheaper than repairs.

    And a temperature gauge would be a welcome addition on the 9 as well.

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    I was thinking the same thing, but hopeful that we are both wrong and what he saw was just rain evaporating like he thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poseidon View Post
    I was thinking the same thing, but hopeful that we are both wrong and what he saw was just rain evaporating like he thought.

    Yea at the exact same time he has a cracked radiator hose and is getting a oil light....need some big HOPE there.....I am pretty sure the writing on the wall is going to be correct in this case.

    But it never hurts to have glass half full thinking I suppose.

    My grandfather would have put more like..... " Hope in one hand and **** in the other and see which one fills up first"

    He had a catchy saying for every situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bering_C_Sparky View Post
    Found some on Ebay for $75 shipped with 3 colors to choose from.

    Says they "Ship from the United States" but who knows where it was made.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/SUZUKI-BOUL...-/111839099803

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    I ordered a set of these, figured I would give them a shot.

    They only showed 5 available and I wanted to get a set before all the vultures swooped in after I posted the link.

    Guess I bought the first set....that's scary.

    Now shows 4 Red, 5 Black and 5 Blue sets available.

    Will be delivered Aug 14th but I will not get my hands on them for another 6 weeks after that to let you know the quality.......I figure "How bad can you F-Up a silicone hose".......yea, don't answer that.

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    One thing I have noticed over the past year of so is that every person who has reported blowing a cooling hose or overheating their bike also said the Coolant Fault light never came on.

    Temp gauge sounding better and better all the time. ( I hate idiot lights)

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    Quick update, did the repair but broke a bolt due to excess of torque. And that bolt is needed to keep the coolant in place so I can't check anything else until that is repaired. Be back soon with more details.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PanamaJack View Post
    Quick update, did the repair but broke a bolt due to excess of torque. And that bolt is needed to keep the coolant in place so I can't check anything else until that is repaired. Be back soon with more details.

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    What did the oil look like when you drained it?

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    I wonder if the OP mixed the Rad fluid with one that was incompatible that caused an adverse reaction to happen with the rubber? If this is the case then any internal rubber parts that come into contact with the fluid would also be affected! Anyway just something to consider!

    Post up a few pictures of your bike with the new hoses if you would please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bering_C_Sparky View Post
    What did the oil look like when you drained it?

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    Didn't had a chance. In the oil stick looks OK though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bering_C_Sparky View Post
    Yea at the exact same time he has a cracked radiator hose and is getting a oil light....need some big HOPE there.....I am pretty sure the writing on the wall is going to be correct in this case.

    But it never hurts to have glass half full thinking I suppose.

    My grandfather would have put more like..... " Hope in one hand and **** in the other and see which one fills up first"

    He had a catchy saying for every situation.

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    My stepdad used to have the same saying. I tend to be hopeful for others and more realistic for myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PanamaJack View Post
    Didn't had a chance. In the oil stick looks OK though.

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    How long has it been sitting. Had a friend that submerged his ATV. When he went to drain the oil, he overflowed the drain pan with nothing but water. The whole time, he kept saying “where the hell is the oil? There is nothing but water coming out!” Without the motor running (Don’t start it!!!) the oil and water / coolant will stay separated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PanamaJack View Post
    Didn't had a chance. In the oil stick looks OK though.

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    Oil is going to stay on the top and the water will be on the bottom if there is any in there. You will know when you drain it. Pay close attention when it first starts coming out.

    My wife said the same thing about my suburban years ago.
    I was at sea and she would write me and say " The truck is always low on coolant, I fill it up and a couple of days later it is low again, but I don't see any wet spot on the drive way".

    I told her pull the dipstick and tell me what the oil looks like. She said it looks fine.

    I got home and drained it and......chocolate milk.

    Turned out Chevy had a bunch of heads with bad castings for that 2001 production year.

    New Crate Motor when in the next week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bering_C_Sparky View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bering_C_Sparky View Post
    Found some on Ebay for $75 shipped with 3 colors to choose from.

    Says they "Ship from the United States" but who knows where it was made.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/SUZUKI-BOUL...-/111839099803

    BCS
    I ordered a set of these, figured I would give them a shot.

    They only showed 5 available and I wanted to get a set before all the vultures swooped in after I posted the link.

    Guess I bought the first set....that's scary.

    Now shows 4 Red, 5 Black and 5 Blue sets available.

    Will be delivered Aug 14th but I will not get my hands on them for another 6 weeks after that to let you know the quality.......I figure "How bad can you F-Up a silicone hose".......yea, don't answer that. [IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.m109riders.com/forums/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif[/IMG]

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    Let me know what you think when you get them. That might be one of my winter mods this year.

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    Hey those coloured hoses are a cool twist! I replaced my main air intake on my car some time ago with a big fat silicone one my car forum peeps were raving about. If these are the same sort of construction they should be great!

    ...eyeing up the blue ones. ;D


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    Quote Originally Posted by Poseidon View Post
    My stepdad used to have the same saying. I tend to be hopeful for others and more realistic for myself.
    I use that saying myself all the time. Must have picked it up from my Dad, but don't recall.

    As for a temperature gauge, it would be a good idea. I've been relying on my oil temperature dipstick for years, and it seems accurate enough. When pulled out and left to sit in atmospheric conditions, it correctly reads what the weather forecast says the temperature is at the time. And also, since the oil is cooled via a connection to the coolant, and the oil never has exceeded 210 degrees in the years it's been on the bike, I think it accurately reflects what the coolant is doing.

    I would like to have a temperature gauge, oil pressure gauge and volt gauge. But how and where to mount them so they don't look FUGLY?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cbxer55 View Post
    I use that saying myself all the time. Must have picked it up from my Dad, but don't recall.

    As for a temperature gauge, it would be a good idea. I've been relying on my oil temperature dipstick for years, and it seems accurate enough. When pulled out and left to sit in atmospheric conditions, it correctly reads what the weather forecast says the temperature is at the time. And also, since the oil is cooled via a connection to the coolant, and the oil never has exceeded 210 degrees in the years it's been on the bike, I think it accurately reflects what the coolant is doing.

    I would like to have a temperature gauge, oil pressure gauge and volt gauge. But how and where to mount them so they don't look FUGLY?
    Rainey have a kit with all that that sits on the handlebar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PanamaJack View Post
    Rainey have a kit with all that that sits on the handlebar.

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    I vaguely recall something along those lines. I'll have to look into it. Been waiting and hoping he brings out that exhaust with a muffler on each side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 84yota View Post
    Let me know what you think when you get them. That might be one of my winter mods this year.
    will do.

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    Well after 2 weeks in the shop the bike is back. Luckily no engine warping, no coolant in the crankcase, and no other gremlin were found.

    Although the mechanic had to change most of the hoses, clamps and seals.

    Every time he fix a spot another leaks pops up in other location.

    He had to take it completely apart to reach all those spaces.

    The pressure test was fine at last and now the bike is like new again. I added some iridium spark plugs into the works and she is starting like a champ.

    Thank you all for your help, and keep an eye out for those hose. As I stated before, it's easily to miss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PanamaJack View Post
    Well after 2 weeks in the shop the bike is back. Luckily no engine warping, no coolant in the crankcase, and no other gremlin were found.

    Although the mechanic had to change most of the hoses, clamps and seals.

    Every time he fix a spot another leaks pops up in other location.

    He had to take it completely apart to reach all those spaces.

    The pressure test was fine at last and now the bike is like new again. I added some iridium spark plugs into the works and she is starting like a champ.

    Thank you all for your help, and keep an eye out for those hose. As I stated before, it's easily to miss.

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    Man that is good news.

    Sorry I was such a pessimist but when you said there was oil in the coolant and you had a lot of white smoke coming out of the exhaust.......those were both indicators of a cracked head gasket or worse.

    Glad to hear that you came out the other side with none of those problems.

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