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    \r\n Quote Originally Posted by asviewedfrommars\r\n View Post\r\n
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    It feels like I\'m leaning in turns more than I actually am.
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    \nBut leaning isn\'t really necessary when using counter-steering effectively -' + '- and this bike loves counter-steering!
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    \nSo I ride centered, push on the one side of the handlebar (in the direction of the turn), and let the bike smoothly lean into the corner for me.
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    \nThe more aggressive the turn, the harder I push, (or in some cases, also pull on the opposite handle) and wait for my boot heel to start making contact with the asphalt.
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    Exactly as I would describe it ( except the " smooth " part )- I just drop it into the corner \r\n
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    \r\n At the MAM last year was the first time I\'ve encountered a lot of curvey roads and I found it easier to counter steer my way through the turns rather than leaning. It takes less effort, and it\'s easier to straighten up the bike in the event it\'s needed...\r\n
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    \r\n Lean way over............stick your leg straight up............grab the footrest with your r/hand ........and you will corner like this pro.
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    \r\n Quote Originally Posted by SKIDMARK\r\n View Post\r\n
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    Lean way over............stick your leg straight up............grab the footrest with your r/hand ........and you will corner like this pro.
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    I drag my heels in the corners. I stay centered on the bike until my heels touch, then adjust my body into the corner as needed.
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    I also drag my heel in the corner but I have to say it depends on the foot wear. I wear boots 99 percent of the time I ride. I did wear tennis shoes but I found that dragging the heal of tennis shoe is dangerous. Long story short almost got jerked off the bike. I do see a lot of the crotch rocket crowd that wear tennis shoes and ride but the riding position never puts them into this situation. So just as a safety precaution don\'t do this with tennis shoes. \r\n
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    ... what\'s the proper way to do cornering with our great "M019R".
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    A bike is a bike. No difference when it comes to max cornering so it will benefit getting off the seat a little and getting low and inside. It\'s all about getting the center of gravity down and into the corner. It takes a big guy to do it because of the arm reach required since our handlebars are so far forward. In fact, the M109R probably needs this more then most bikes because the clearance is so poor. That being said, it looks kinda ridiculous to do this on a big cruiser so I find myself just cornering slower and staying in line with the bike.\r\n
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    ... I kinda lean body opposite way and bike goes down into the lean easier.
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    \r\n In my instruction by the MSF, we were told to lean with the bike and use countersteer, which comes by instinct pretty quickly. Only time to sit opposite was on slow tight turns, such as a parking lot. They advise to sit on the opposite side of the seat and lean the bike. Stricly slow speed, tight manuveur(sp).\r\n
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