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    Quote Originally Posted by crfishon View Post
    Downshifting way to early.. I don't hit 1st till I'm stopped..


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    Seriously be careful, My friend dumped my 9 in a parking lot going from 2nd to 1st. It doesn't happen too bad with me on it, but then again I weigh like 110lbs more than him. The thing you need to look at really is matching rpm's when downshifting. If not you experience the wrath or the 9's torque when "engine braking".

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    Just install a slipper clutch, problem solved. Sorry I couldn't resist. I had it happen a few times when I got my 9 but quickly learned how to avoid it. You'll work your way around it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by chef109 View Post
    Just install a slipper clutch, problem solved. Sorry I couldn't resist. I had it happen a few times when I got my 9 but quickly learned how to avoid it. You'll work your way around it.
    I got a back torque limiter (slipper) clutch in Kaw speak on my Ninja. Love it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bwl60 View Post
    I have never seen a bike that wears a tire out so fast that was not hot rodded.
    No chyt! I can't even get through 2 oil changes before needing a rear tire with no peeling out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Chief View Post
    Downshifting gives rear drag for control upon slowing, stopping or turning and is the correct thing to do in any manualy shifted vehicle but I can't think of ANY instance where downshifting into first gear on a 9 would be of any benefit.

    First gear is a stump puller on this bike, never any need to use it other than from a full stop. This bike has more than enough low end to pull, even two up, in second gear from a rolling start.
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    Yup, first time I ever rode a 9, test drove a stock Burple. I was coming off a 94 Suzuki RF900RR, that thing loves to rev, you could downshift all you want to engine brake and it would just spin up and take it. I got to my first stop on the 9 and locked up the back wheel downshifting. I musta skid that thing 4-5 times in a 20 minute test drive just by downshifting.

    I quickly learned that it is a whole nutha animal and can't be driven like a sport bike. On a sport bike you wanna keep the revs high and stay in a lower gear. This bike lives on torque, no reason to be in 1st other than being stopped and taking off. 1st in a turn is not necessary, 2 will work fine no matter how slow the corner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LOFLYR View Post
    Yup, first time I ever rode a 9, test drove a stock Burple. I was coming off a 94 Suzuki RF900RR, that thing loves to rev, you could downshift all you want to engine brake and it would just spin up and take it. I got to my first stop on the 9 and locked up the back wheel downshifting. I musta skid that thing 4-5 times in a 20 minute test drive just by downshifting.

    I quickly learned that it is a whole nutha animal and can't be driven like a sport bike. On a sport bike you wanna keep the revs high and stay in a lower gear. This bike lives on torque, no reason to be in 1st other than being stopped and taking off. 1st in a turn is not necessary, 2 will work fine no matter how slow the corner.
    Guess it just gives me more reason to get out and ride :-) Thanks for everyone's help. I figured I was probably shifting too early, but wanted to make sure. The 9 is a totally different beast than what I'm use to. I'm glad I found this site; it is such a wealth of knowledge.
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    Like others have said, you need to get your revs up when down shifting. I don't recommend down shifting to first however, it's too low. By giving your throttle a blip it gets the RPMS up to match where they'll be when you let out the clutch. It makes it much easier on the transmission also.

    For those that don't down shift, I think that you may be a little short sighted, and here's why. If you don't have your bike in an acceptable gear at all times, if you need to give throttle to get out of trouble, you have to try to find a gear first which may take too long. You always want two choices, speed up or slow down. If your clutch is in and your bike is in a gear that's too high or too low, your screwed. I understand your thoughts on the transmission, but I PERSONALLY think it's a mistake. I'm not saying your wrong, I'm just saying that I wouldn't do it that way!

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    Quote Originally Posted by antmor69 View Post
    There's nothing wrong with using engine braking if you can be smooth about it. If you're in the mountains, it's a must if you don't want your brakes to fade.


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    I can agree with that if you know what your doing. I would never recommend it for someone less experienced.


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    I have been riding for over 20 years and I have never used engine braking, unless absolutely necessary. And I have never, on any of my bikes had transmission problems, shortened tire life, or any drivetrain issues what so ever. Everyone rides different.
    43k miles on my bike and I have rev matched and downshifted every time. I clutch in, click down, burp it and let the clutch out. You just have to get a good feel for how much rev to throw. I have done it for over 20 years myself and never had any tranny issues.

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    When's the last time you checked the air pressure in your tires? Low air pressure can also make you feel like it's going to fishtail because the tire is actually rolling from side to side on the rim.

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    Always blip the throttle when downshifting. Ideally, your RPMs would match exactly, but it's way better and easier to be a little high than too low (your RPMs). If your RPMs of the gear you're switching to are lower than your wheel speed, then the engine will have to match up. This has the effect of braking on your rear wheel, just with the engine instead of the brake caliper.

    It can be a dangerous situation if you're not careful, especially in first. I almost never downshift into first while I'm moving. It's the hardest gear to match correctly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rider 4 Life View Post
    40 years Bernie, you are really showing your age. You could have said 20+, 30+ or something but you had to say 40 years. Everyone rides different, me personally I just don't use engine braking often.
    LOL yeah so I'm an older f**ker, I'm still gettin it done bro!!! Oh, I started riding at age 10

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mil_man87 View Post
    Ok; so this is kind of strange, or because I'm a newbie maybe its not strange at all. Hopefully someone can shed some light on this.
    When i downshift it shifts down pretty hard. Especially from 3 to 2 to 1. But my issue is if I downshift while turning, or even on a slight curve, i feel like my rear tire is slipping out on me?
    I know I need a new tire soon, but does this happen to anyone else? Today I was barely leaning; guy pulled out in front me and he didn't cut me off, but I braked a little (not hard) and down shifted to 1st and almost lost my rear end. Spooked the S*** out of me.
    Can anyone shed some light on this? My tire isn't bald, but I do need a new one soon or am I just downshifting too early? Or should I not be downshifting at all in curves? Thanks guys

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    Big time compression skid in first. If you are shifting down, say, in the neighborhood and just about to initiate a turn do NOT downshift into first. No need. Approach the corner in second and feather through. I think it's just because you are not used to big bikes with big torque and big compression. You'll figure it out.
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    LOL..And I thought you were gonna say you started riding at age 3 or 4. I have no doubt you are still making it happen Bernie. You Da'Man!

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    LOL yeah so I'm an older f**ker, I'm still gettin it done bro!!! Oh, I started riding at age 10
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big-B View Post
    I do it all the time w/ no issue. I throw a rev to compensate for speed. I've been riding for 40 years and never had a tranny issue on any of the +13 bikes I have owned.
    Same here. Always throw a small quick rev when I down shift. Honestly more experience is needed here if your having this issue. Damn B, your old! I've only got 21 yrs under my belt. Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by antmor69 View Post
    You are downshifting too early. Gears 1-3 are lower than on your previous bikes. It's a good idea to get in the gear you want for the turn while you're still going straight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mil_man87 View Post
    Guess it just gives me more reason to get out and ride :-) Thanks for everyone's help. I figured I was probably shifting too early, but wanted to make sure. The 9 is a totally different beast than what I'm use to. I'm glad I found this site; it is such a wealth of knowledge.

    Guess you'll have to hop over to this side of the river, and we'll get you some practice, then.

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    Default wow , i then need a slpper clucth on the boss .

    Quote Originally Posted by chef109 View Post
    Just install a slipper clutch, problem solved. Sorry I couldn't resist. I had it happen a few times when I got my 9 but quickly learned how to avoid it. You'll work your way around it.

    Coming off my GSXR 07/1k i had a slipper clutch and before going into corners i can down shift at any speeds , Rear wheel would never lock up. Now that i am spoiled . This is scary , I thought being suzuki and all the 9 would automatically come with a slipper . This kind of sucks , taking me back to the old shrad bikes matching rpm to down shift at the right time.

    How much did you pay to get that slipper clutch. I will be doing it soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edster View Post
    Coming off my GSXR 07/1k i had a slipper clutch and before going into corners i can down shift at any speeds , Rear wheel would never lock up. Now that i am spoiled . This is scary , I thought being suzuki and all the 9 would automatically come with a slipper . This kind of sucks , taking me back to the old shrad bikes matching rpm to down shift at the right time.

    How much did you pay to get that slipper clutch. I will be doing it soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by some 9 View Post
    This thread is 2 1/2 yrs old, luckily chef109 is still around but hasn't been on a lot.
    Thanks for bringing it to lite , i used the search button and found this regarding the slip clutch . I am just use to going into corners hot with my gsxr and down shifting before going into the corners help . Not that i am going to be doing that with the 9 or maybe. lol

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    I had a scary incident with me and Tina on the bike last year near Maggie. I accelerated hard to get in front of my son and quickly approached car that was breaking. No big deal except that I pulled in the clutch then let it back out and the rear end started doing a bunny hop to the side. It will tighten your panties!!
    All I could think about after that was how bad this bike needed a slipper. Suzuki put one in their V-Strom 1000 which really didn't need one as far as I can tell. Maybe the next generation 109 will get one. It needs it as bad as any bike I have ever ridden.
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    First is for when my foot is about to hit the ground to stop or to the point where i have to put my foot down...

    second all the way on turns and when coming up to a stop.


    fishtailing is not good.. at some point you'll do that and the rear will lock up completely if your going too fast...
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    Coming off a super sportsbike myself, engine braking was never an issue. It's how I did all my red light and stop sign stops. But my 06 Gsxr 1000 is a way different animal than this 9.

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