Stock VS Cobra PowrPro (dyno sheets inside)
Here is is, what you've been waiting for; A dyno comparison between stock and the Cobra PowrPro. These runs were done with the same bike, same dyno and same operator.
The bike is my 2011 Suzuki M109R.
Stock dyno run and sheets:
2011 Suzuki M109R Dyno Stock - YouTube
Cobra PowrPro Run and sheets:
The dyno sheets below compare the best stock run with the best PowrPro run.
2011 Suzuki M109R Dyno PowrPro - YouTube
Thank's for posting. If I am reading right not that much of a difference for the buck's. I swapped out my pipes and getting ready to add new intakes. I was thinking of going with the PC to get rid of the decel pops. Doesn't really matter to me if there is power gain or not, bike is fast enough as is. Just wanted to get that fuel/air mixture better and get rid of the pops so this dyno confirms to me that for my purpose the PC is the better choice.
The sheet below is with the same mods. First run is with the power pro and is in red. The Second is in Blue and is with the PCIII and dynoed tuned. much more power from the PCIII, at least on my bike!!!Originally Posted by NJDEVIL
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careful the power pro defender squad doesn't catch wind of this lol
Ain't that the truth. Funny how the majority jump onboard with just someones words "It feels like more power".
That is ok, they would have to talk through me first. I will admit, the PP pulls real hard when you are on it, but I have never been behind it since it was brought out. However, it has a market, for those that do not want to deal with a dyno tune and just want a good A/F ratio and are not that concerned about Hp. Also, it is now longer a "autotune". I have said from the begining, if you are looking for HP---the PP is not the answer. Just could not agree with the technology--makes sense, but something seemed off. Great info guys.
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Well said.
Until you can add more air in and get it out better then a PP isn't gonna do much. I think your intakes and exhaust are stock?
Everything else on the bike is stock. The idea of this was to see the gains solely from the PowrPro.
The PP can't do a whole lot when you're not adding airflow. It can only work with what is available.
I honestly don't think this before and after really shows much. All it shows is the PP is doing it's job, which is very little in this case as you are totally stock. I think the better dyno comparisons would be ones with a pc3/tune, pc5/auto tune, healtech and the PP to see what differences would be on a modded bike.
Why the 700 rpm drop in the cross over point?
Also why is the cross over not 5252 rpm like Boudreaux's graph?
And why do these bikes runs so lean under 4K?
In my opinion no auto-tuner is going to put perform a proper dyno tune. Auto-tuners are all about ballparking so that novices can do mods and have the engine still run reasonably well. These charts seem to indicate that the PP achieves this level.
Last edited by Canadian; 10-09-2012 at 09:27 AM.
Look at the HP/Torque scales, they are different which changes the crossover.
No matter what your choice if programmer is, what is becoming evident, is the limitations of the PP. As I said before, it has a market, but you probably could save a lot of money and buy the fi2000 over the PP and learn to read the spark plugs--- and in the process, get to know your bike better. For those that want the HP, well you need more tuning ability than what the PP can provide.
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I think most of us PP users have conceded the power part. Overall, the bike feels stronger as it is tuned throughout the full rpm scale. I am contemplating buying a healtech, comparing, and selling whichever one I don't like. I might pull that plug this week. I just read up on the healtech though and it appears that it should be put on the dyno to run a map. I thought it was a self tuner.
Last edited by BigpapaM109; 10-09-2012 at 12:43 PM.
Healtech has never been an auto unit. Installs extremely easy, uses the same graph type as a PC3, and all the same tune ability. They have maps that they give to get you stated. But you could just transfer the numbers from a PC3 map to it.
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whoa, whoa, whoa
where is everyone that usually tells us how stupid we are for not believing this thing is the best thing ever
so confused
whoa, whoa, whoa
where is everyone that usually tells us how stupid we are for not believing this thing is the best thing ever
so confused
So guys are having a peaceful discussion and you come in here trying to add fuel to dimly lit fire. I have the PP so far no issues very happy with my purchase. The way I look at is buy what will make you happy I spoke to FutuR before purchasing the PP and he expressed his "issues" with the unit and I still got it because I wanted it and because I could simple as that. One thing that I find odd is how much the HP's have dropped from '06-'11 model years. His starting HP #'s seem low to me.
Last edited by Wildman7; 10-09-2012 at 11:03 PM.
What are you running on your 9?whoa, whoa, whoa
where is everyone that usually tells us how stupid we are for not believing this thing is the best thing ever
so confused
Have you tried both units.
I posted a tuning 101 thread - I suggest reading it.
What are you guys expecting from this device on an unaltered bike? First, AF ratio means nothing by itself - it is only one component of a tune. And according to those printouts, there is no tune on that bike what so ever. A performance tune involves advancing the timing as much as possible. The timing is 90% of the tune. In order to do so, the AF ratio should be between 12:1 - 12.5:1. That is where the most timing can be run.
All autotune is is a bandaid fix to enable you to do mods and keep the AF ratio the same - around 13.5:1 which isn't optimum in the first place.
Bottomw line, these devices do nothing if you don't actually use their functionality. To do that, you flow as much air as possible, run as much timing as possible and adjust Af ratio to 12.5:1 as a rule of thumb. Asside from that the device doesn't do a damn thing.
So, just curious, why was this ever brought up into the debate of the PP? I had never looked at it but in the original arguments in one of the threads, it kept being brought up when in fact it is totally along the lines of the pc3.
Nobody is saying anyone is stupid for not believing. I personally know that the PP is not the best thing ever. I have said repeatedly that any other tuner is only as good as the tuner who does it on the dyno. And, the PP does work great for me. I have pulled plugs and they are dead on. I also know that it is not getting the most power out of it. I spent $275 on a pc3 and $200 on a full tune, 3+ years ago. My bike is noticeably stronger through the rpm range now over when it had the pc3 and an fi2000. At that time it put down 115/109 on the dyno. I would be willing to put money on the fact that if I got a pc3, and full tune, and ran it at the track versus the PP on it, the numbers would be within a tenth probably. To me, that is nothing and not even worth arguing over. I get 42-43mpg and am very happy and will continue to let other members who are looking for fuel management, know that it is a great choice. Perfect example for myself was that I recently changed pipes. Bike didn't even notice and ran identical. It is worth it for me as I like to know that I can do that at anytime and not have to retune. Either way, it is people, like yourself, who want to come in and fuel up the debate over the unit when it just isn't worth it. Instead of all the bickering, it would be better served to keep the arguments to a minimum and put up some real data to prove it isn't at least a good option.whoa, whoa, whoa
where is everyone that usually tells us how stupid we are for not believing this thing is the best thing ever
so confused
Last edited by BigpapaM109; 10-10-2012 at 08:11 AM.
No idea, really no comparison to the PP---though it does install easier than the PP. To me, it is a better option than a pc3. If mine goes bad, well, that is the direction I am heading to.
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That, I agree with 100%. My first thought when I read it was I would definitely recommend it over pc3.
I think you should just take this thread for what it is and leave it at that. I commend the OP for going thu process of doing the comparison. There is a whole other thread regarding this. You should have chimed in on that one.
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