Stealth intake problem

[GMan]

I'd be willing to bet the performance difference between these and the stock housings w/ K&N's is not worth the money.

The C's don't have a std K&N offered, they breathe through a very small hole on the back side and have a very small paper filter, similiar to the M.
The dyno showed 26% increase when coupled with after market exhaust and most after market exhausts only contribute maybe 5-7% of that 26%.

[HyperPete]

Just so you don't forget, All of the products I design, manufacture and sell have a 2 year warranty and I stand behind what I create!

From my perspective, this is not true. The gman bushing snapped after less than a year. I requested a new bolt, (did not even request the bushing itself) and was told (in no uncertain terms) that my only option was to purchase a new one. At that time (in 2010) I posted my experience in a thread where several others indicated theirs snapped too, but no response from gman industries!

That's OK, I purchased a new stock setup and have been very happy with it ever since. I also purchase my titanium grinders elsewhere now.

EDIT: I'm sorry, that was misinformation above. I purchased it on Sunday 12 July, 2009 and it snapped two years to the day from date of purchase according to my post here in the forums.

[GMan]

From my perspective, this is not true. The gman bushing snapped after less than a year. I requested a new bolt, (did not even request the bushing itself) and was told (in no uncertain terms) that my only option was to purchase a new one. At that time (in 2010) I posted my experience in a thread where several others indicated theirs snapped too, but no response from gman industries!

That's OK, I purchased a new stock setup and have been very happy with it ever since. I also purchase my titanium grinders elsewhere now.

EDIT: I'm sorry, that was misinformation above. I purchased it on Sunday 12 July, 2009 and it snapped two years to the day from date of purchase according to my post here in the forums.

My apologies for your bad experience. If I had more info on who told you that from my company I would be able to figure out what went wrong on our end. I have authorized warranty replacement on products that are months beyond the two year deadline. We updated our GBushing for the M109R after the first year and haven't had an issue since. It still puzzles me how a solid piece of stainless steel can sheer off.

[ELI]

So Philip, after some emails and a phone call, I am a considered a non-responsive vendor that is only after your hard earned money?
I was hoping you weren't one of 'those' forum members that black mail vendors to get what they want.

After our phone conversation last week I thought we had this all taken care of. You seemed satisfied when I offered to replace your Stealth Intakes under warranty even after you told me that other parts from other vendors had fallen off your bike due to the type of roads you were riding. When we parted you were going to check on the attachment points and try repairing your chrome covers.

Then I receive an email the next day that reminded me of a Dr. Jeckel and Mr. Hyde syndrome. Trashing the Stealth Intakes and how you think these parts are junk and you wanted a full refund, not a replacement.
The next day I left for a motorcycle trip and didn't get a chance to complete my email response and send it, as I was preparing to lead 14 biker couples on a 3 day getaway.
Then I see you jump on the forum and start your trashing campaign.

Just so you don't forget, All of the products I design, manufacture and sell have a 2 year warranty and I stand behind what I create!
You were offered replacements at no charge, even though it appeared you did not install them properly. You call them flimsy yet they are made from High Strength Black Lexan are computer cut and vacuum molded. They also have custom designed, expensive, extreme top K&N air filters that are for the C109R only. I have had my intakes on from day one, 4 years now, and logged up over 26,000 miles over every kind of road and weather imaginable, I live on a gravel road which I ride almost daily. Mine are taken off and on more than any other for many reasons and not one bolt has come loose, nor one crack appeared. There are hundreds of the Stealth Intakes out there worldwide and outside of a couple design issues with the M90's early on there have been no issues. The M90's we sent were followed shortly after with a 'Technical Service Bulletin' to ALL customers asking them to inspect their Stealth Intakes for stress cracks and offering a free replacement, no questions asked, before it became an issue.

That is the kind of Customer Service we offer daily at GMan Industries, and did with you. You chose to say one thing on the phone then turn manic the next day trashing me, my products and my customer service. It's a shame that customer service and the integrity it requires isn't required to go both ways.

My offer of full replacement still stands, even though it goes against my better judgement. I expect you will continue to trash my products even if I send you a replacement and you install it correctly.

My email GMan@GManIndustries.com and my phone 1-855-864-4626 are still available if you chose to take me up on the free replacement I have offered you from the start.

I am not a Jeckle and Hyde,Gary, I have not made a personal attack on you ,I told you I rode rough roads and an aftermarket tail lens fell off which was replaced at no cost, if this is the best you can do along with the allegation that they were installed improperly, which is bogus,you have a very delicate and poorly designed intake that places more emphasis on being stealthy to being durable, you fail to mention in our call how upset I was about my broken covers, and you said "epoxy them" I simply asked for a pro rated refund and you were the one who went Jeckle and Hyde.If you read my comments, you would know I dont want another set, my covers are broken,your intakes were supporting them, I would not have commented if you simply asked what I want to resolve this issue,I have seen your drama on the IA site, people either love your products or hate them because of YOUR actions,as a customer who gave you my hard earned money I expected more that's all.You did not offer me replacements, in your reply you said"under your extreme conditions,I don't see where a refund is warranted"'I would POSSIBLY CONSIDER sending a replacement",you not only misrepresent my words but your own,seems your ego has control of customer service.I simply asked for a pro rated refund for what are legitimate reasons.I own many of your products and looked forward to the eventual release of your pipes,I don't like making ANY enemies,but will not be bullied with BS.

[GMan]

I am not a jeckle and hyde,Gary, I have not made a personal attack on you

"Typical business sell your product then hope it pans out"

It's my company, my designs and my products. Your above comment came across as very offensive. I put a lot of time, effort, and thought into my products and stand behind them which is why so many on the various forums stand wth me.

Send me an email if you're willing to work out a resolution since I am back in town right now.

[ace4aday]

I have ridden most of your roads with my C09RT thru Portland, into Salem over to Three Sisters and along the gorge. No problems with my Stealth Intakes and I have no problem warrantying any issues that may come up. I doubt the rough roads are the problem unless some one is dirt biking their C.

I don't doubt your standing behind your products, Gman. I think the covers themselves are inherently weak at the mounting points. I'm actually surprised they don't break when using the stock intakes. If your intake puts more stress on the covers and causes them to fail, then the user has to eat the cost to replace the covers and/or the intakes. The solution might be as easy as reinforcing the cover mounts with epoxy before using them with the Stealths.

[ELI]

I don't doubt your standing behind your products, Gman. I think the covers themselves are inherently weak at the mounting points. I'm actually surprised they don't break when using the stock intakes. If your intake puts more stress on the covers and causes them to fail, then the user has to eat the cost to replace the covers and/or the intakes. The solution might be as easy as reinforcing the cover mounts with epoxy before using them with the Stealths.

In my ra request I mentioned this and the fact I had pics if he needed them to improve the product,I have worked with DISH to improve their dvr receivers and would have loved for there to be a solution,but one must identify a problem before he can address it,as ace said I have to eat the cost and doubt these covers would have broken on the oem boxes, that's what I thought these forums were for,Gary if "if sell your product an hope it pans out" was offensive to you I apologize,but that's how you made me feel, after reading your e-mail, you must realize that even good products may not be tested in proper conditions, like I said drive my roads and see if you feel the same way, one must design for the most extreme conditions, lexon is lexon aluminum is aluminum,not to mention thickness of materials, the engine itself shakes,had the factory cover recessed into the stealths instead of hanging off them,might be helpfull too.

[ace4aday]

.....had the factory cover recessed into the stealths instead of hanging off them,might be helpfull too.

I have not seen the design of the Stealths up close, but I think this may be very a good point. The recess of the stock intakes definitely helps support the covers and may be the element that keeps the stock setup from failing in the same way. I would be interested in seeing your pics, ELI.

[GMan]

I have not seen the design of the Stealths up close, but I think this may be very a good point. The recess of the stock intakes definitely helps support the covers and may be the element that keeps the stock setup from failing in the same way. I would be interested in seeing your pics, ELI.

Talking with dealers they have had random customers with issues on a variety of chrome/plastic covers from Suzuki's to Honda VTX's.
Outisde of the M90 issue we caught early on where the threaded crimp nut for the air sensor would stress the Lexan and eventually caused cracking, we have had very few issues with any of our Stealth Intakes line which includes the C109R, M109R, C50, M50 and M90.

[ELI]

Talking with dealers they have had random customers with issues on a variety of chrome/plastic covers from Suzuki's to Honda VTX's.
Outisde of the M90 issue we caught early on where the threaded crimp nut for the air sensor would stress the Lexan and eventually caused cracking, we have had very few issues with any of our Stealth Intakes line which includes the C109R, M109R, C50, M50 and M90.

It is my covers that are broken not the stealths,i have a small crack on one of them but the plastic covers are not very strong on their own,I have contributed to many positive reviews on the bully and the tre,so it is unlike me to write a negative review,but I am very selective when it comes to my ride and the covers are not worth buying again only to repeat on the day I follow the rest of the pack on a rough road,Gary I will e mail you shortly with a recommendation,and would have chosen not to be a pain in your ass on this forum, but I did mention who I was on our chat.

[ELI]

I have not seen the design of the Stealths up close, but I think this may be very a good point. The recess of the stock intakes definitely helps support the covers and may be the element that keeps the stock setup from failing in the same way. I would be interested in seeing your pics, ELI.

I have never posted pic to this site, but will email them to you if you want, basicly, the 3 bottom mounts broke flush right at the cover.

[RadGen]

I have ridden most of your roads with my C09RT thru Portland, into Salem over to Three Sisters and along the gorge. No problems with my Stealth Intakes and I have no problem warrantying any issues that may come up. I doubt the rough roads are the problem unless some one is dirt biking their C.

Gary does a good job of following through on warranty issues. But I can understand if he has an issue with "rough roads" as a reason bolts pulled though the plastic on the cover. If "rough roads" caused the salad bowl to break with the stealth's. It would have done it anyways just on the bike. I mean really

I had an issue with my intakes with them separating at the seam. Gary had no problem manning up and replacing them.

[ELI]

Gary does a good job of following through on warranty issues. But I can understand if he has an issue with "rough roads" as a reason bolts pulled though the plastic on the cover. If "rough roads" caused the salad bowl to break with the stealth's. It would have done it anyways just on the bike. I mean really

I had an issue with my intakes with them separating at the seam. Gary had no problem manning up and replacing them.

Another one who doubts the rough roads up here raise hell with vehicles,I live in ND,gravel and clay are common in patches of our highways up here,how much dust did you suck in before you noticed the seam issue?Our roads are dusty too,come up here and enjoy the view,just make sure you bungee your bags good!

[grandpatractor]

I'll tell you my experience with the stealth intakes and you can take it for what its worth.

I had them on my 08 til I crashed it with 48,000 miles. About 30,000 of that was with the intakes.
Then I put them on my 09. It has 23,355 on it right now all but few hundred with the stealth intakes.
So they have over 50,000 miles on them. My driveway is a half mile long and gravel. We have rough roads too.
The intakes have not cracked yet.
I just had to do a fix on my right side salad bowl though. Some of the "towers" on the inside were cracked. I just took some plastic epoxy type glue and fixed them.
The left one is just fine yet.
Over all I am satisfied.
I have no complaints in my dealings with Gman.

[ELI]

I'll tell you my experience with the stealth intakes and you can take it for what its worth.

I had them on my 08 til I crashed it with 48,000 miles. About 30,000 of that was with the intakes.
Then I put them on my 09. It has 23,355 on it right now all but few hundred with the stealth intakes.
So they have over 50,000 miles on them. My driveway is a half mile long and gravel. We have rough roads too.
The intakes have not cracked yet.
I just had to do a fix on my right side salad bowl though. Some of the "towers" on the inside were cracked. I just took some plastic epoxy type glue and fixed them.
The left one is just fine yet.
Over all I am satisfied.
I have no complaints in my dealings with Gman.

My c is so stiff in the rear end I am 180 and have it set to the lightest position and it barely moves,front is fine,maybe if I put a few pounds on the beast will know I am there,washboards on some of our roads are a bitch,bounced me off the road once on my 1400 chopper!

[grandpatractor]

My c is so stiff in the rear end I am 180 and have it set to the lightest position and it barely moves,front is fine,maybe if I put a few pounds on the beast will know I am there,washboards on some of our roads are a bitch,bounced me off the road once on my 1400 chopper!

I have mine on the highest setting as I am loaded pretty heavy with the fairing and bags. I also ride pretty aggressively and need it pretty stiff for that.
Car tire helps smooth some of the bumps too.

[ELI]

I have mine on the highest setting as I am loaded pretty heavy with the fairing and bags. I also ride pretty aggressively and need it pretty stiff for that.
Car tire helps smooth some of the bumps too.

I was looking at a 235/55 car tire,you still run a 225/60?

[grandpatractor]

I was looking at a 235/55 car tire,you still run a 225/60?

Yup, the speedo stays pretty close that way.

[ELI]

Yup, the speedo stays pretty close that way.

I kinda like the shorter 240-50 tire,throws the speedo off though,my speedo read damn near 140,gps showed 123,not safe after that,but she had more,I have yet to scrape mt boards like you guys,hell all of our roads are straight and flat,you can see for miles except for the ****loads of deer!

[sbman]

I kinda like the shorter 240-50 tire,throws the speedo off though,my speedo read damn near 140,gps showed 123,not safe after that,but she had more,I have yet to scrape mt boards like you guys,hell all of our roads are straight and flat,you can see for miles except for the ****loads of deer!

I know what you mean about the roads. I make deliveries in ND twice a week. You'll have to come out this way some time, ride some fun roads, and maybe we can talk JD into showing you his "Mini-Dragon" in Wildcat Mountain State Park.