Installed my new PowerPro soo much better

[bulle109]

Good info

Thanks, I have learned a lot about my 9 from the many people that share their experiences and knowledge on this site. Just trying to give back a little even if it is just my opinion.

[Munster]

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So I haven't done my intake yet, but I installed a set of Freedom Performance Curves a few weeks ago and even with my ATRE the bike was running rough. After my trip to Sturgis I couldn't take the jerkiness any longer. I loved the exhaust so I bit the bullet and picked up the new Cobra Power Pro. Just took it for a quick spin around the neighborhood and it is soo smooth. What a great investment.

[Latinrascal]

It's all good ma brotha, we'll just agree to disagree.

Always my Friend

[The Chief]

So even if Latinrascal is correct in his theory, then running a PP with K&Ns and stock exhaust will not make your bike run any more lean than the stock set up right? I mean, if cruising in "sleep mode" it reverts to stock ecm fuel mapping no problem right? It appears (judging by his sig pic and mod list) that Duende is running stock exhaust and K&Ns (the same set up as me) so I say go for it Duende! My bike runs better, pulls harder and gets a bit better MPG with PP and it's no placebo. You can revisit the question when you change your pipes out.

[Latinrascal]

So even if Latinrascal is correct in his theory, then running a PP with K&Ns and stock exhaust will not make your bike run any more lean than the stock set up right? I mean, if cruising in "sleep mode" it reverts to stock ecm fuel mapping no problem right? It appears (judging by his sig pic and mod list) that Duende is running stock exhaust and K&Ns (the same set up as me) so I say go for it Duende! My bike runs better, pulls harder and gets a bit better MPG with PP and it's no placebo. You can revisit the question when you change your pipes out.

Yes but just to clarify its not the powerpro that is causing the lean condition theory, its the air/exhaust mods that do. This is the reason we buy a fuel turner in the first place though right?

[The Chief]

Yes but just to clarify its not the powerpro that is causing the lean condition theory, its the air/exhaust mods that do. This is the reason we buy a fuel turner in the first place though right?

Just my point. Duende's bike can suffer no ill affects by using the PowerPro because he's running stock exhaust. Only good stuff is gonna happen, even with a stock bike.

[antmor69]

So even if Latinrascal is correct in his theory, then running a PP with K&Ns and stock exhaust will not make your bike run any more lean than the stock set up right? I mean, if cruising in "sleep mode" it reverts to stock ecm fuel mapping no problem right? It appears (judging by his sig pic and mod list) that Duende is running stock exhaust and K&Ns (the same set up as me) so I say go for it Duende! My bike runs better, pulls harder and gets a bit better MPG with PP and it's no placebo. You can revisit the question when you change your pipes out.

Adrian has freedom performance pipes.

[rynosback]

and to the Power-Pro club.

[The Chief]

Adrian has freedom performance pipes.

Oh. Looked like stock, never mind.

[Latinrascal]

Just my point. Duende's bike can suffer no ill affects by using the PowerPro because he's running stock exhaust. Only good stuff is gonna happen, even with a stock bike.

Ahh yes I see the point you were making now, yes only good could come from him trying because worse case senerio he is in the same boat he is in right now.

I only see problems if he changes or guts his pipes.

[antmor69]

Oh. Looked like stock, never mind.

He just recently put them on.

[jhorsf]

As the Ppro has no memory storage from one ride to another (volatile memory) and it is adjusting 80 times a second I fail to see how it gets better after a few rides as some of you seem to be posting?

[antmor69]

As the Ppro has no memory storage from one ride to another (volatile memory) and it is adjusting 80 times a second I fail to see how it gets better after a few rides as some of you seem to be posting?

Put one on your bike and you'll see.

[The Chief]

As the Ppro has no memory storage from one ride to another (volatile memory) and it is adjusting 80 times a second I fail to see how it gets better after a few rides as some of you seem to be posting?

Puzzled over that one too but that seemed to be the case and, the damn thing works!

[kawzx7]

The info on the Cobra about when it is tuning and when it is sleeping has came directly from the horses mouth at Cobra although I have received a few different answers that didn't jive but it seems now this is the answer they are giving on how it works. Sorry I don't recall whom I spoke with but nevertheless it is what I was told.

See if you ask the horse at Cobra for some proof this thing works. Then you'll shut me up. That'll be a first for both.

[Latinrascal]

I'm sorry; but if you are not a politician then you missed your calling! All I've read is a bunch of fancy words and BS with no REAL data or facts to back any of it up! Destroying a motor because it is running a bit lean That's pushing it!

If there are no actual FACTS to back up your statements than why bother with the sermon?

I just noticed you directed your comment at me, I wasn't ignoring you, just didn't see it. No I'm not a politician not have I ever desired to be. Fancy words and BS with no Real data? I do have to say that's the first time in my life i have ever been accused of using fancy words :)
I invite you to disprove my theory, by all means please be my guess! I know what I've been told and what info I have thus far and have asked for input from other's however you choose to do nothing beneficial so I ask you, why post? You added nothing!

A bit lean can be a pretty subjective statement considering many members have found their stock bikes to be mapped towards the "lean" side of the spec. Why, emissions I assume. Now what happens when we open up the breathing of a big motor like this? are you comfortable stating riding around with a lean running motor will not or can not cause damage?

[Big-B]

aren't you guys tired of coming into EVERY PP thread and posting the same thing? The unit works, however it does. Who cares? The only ppl complaining about them are the ones that DON'T own them. For the life of me I can't figure out why you guys are so pressed to knock it. I'd be willing to bet had there not been an issue w/ some of the circuit boards, it would be a non issue. Get off the soap box already!

[BigpapaM109]

Here is a comparison between the first cobra and the second.

I run the first version. Prior, I ran the fi2000r and was averaging about 155-160 miles per tank before the fuel light started blinking. With my power pro, I am getting the same, if not a slight bit more. The last 2 tanks I hit 167, which amazed me. Throttle response is crisp and the bike has never run better.

Mary had the surging. We got the new unit with the adjustable fuel pod. I put hers in, leaving it at 0 and not adjusting it. The bike runs identical to mine with not one issue. She is getting the same fuel mpg as I am.

We have raced, the bikes are dead even, just like when we had the fi2000's. We both run the big air kit, and I run the freedoms while she runs the swepts. All mods are basically the same except the pipes.

I pulled her plugs on even the old unit that was surging. They were brand new plugs and they were reading perfect, not lean at all. I believe that even if you are not under acceleration, and the unit goes into "sleep" mode, it isn't showing on the plugs. I wonder how much you actually sit in sleep mode. If you have a throttle lock, lock it in and watch how many times you end up adjusting the thing. I guarantee you that you are actually accelerating more than you ever realized and the unit is tuning through all of that.

[lineman1398]

bernie,
the good and bad about all products need to be posted.... i know i wouldnt have spent the 500 on this thing to take a chance that it may work with the current board, or get a bad board then have to waste time to get a new board when the POS should be working as advertised out of the box... and the sad fact is IT DOESNT... it doesnt even do what it claims to do... let people put the information and experience they have with a product out there for the better good of everyone...

the sad fact is most bikes are running better not because of the power pro... but because of the exhaust and intakes we put on that make us buy a fuel mgmt system...

bottom line... everyone has questions and opinions and experiences and they are all different... just because they arent the products biggest cheerleaders doesnt mean they cant speak their minds...

[antmor69]

aren't you guys tired of coming into EVERY PP thread and posting the same thing? The unit works, however it does. Who cares? The only ppl complaining about them are the ones that DON'T own them. For the life of me I can't figure out why you guys are so pressed to knock it. I'd be willing to bet had there not been an issue w/ some of the circuit boards, it would be a non issue. Get off the soap box already!

[briansm]

I bought mine almost the same time you ( B) did, from what I have read its constantly making adjustments, I try not to micro analyze the wording in the ad's etc etc...I have never had a issue or failure and I'm really happy with it...For me it's the best buck I have spent thus far on my nine, then the addition of my pipes... The bike ran very well right from the get go..then the pipes and it pulled even harder much more mid range, now riding it sanely around 42 MPG

The only issue I had was the ground wire /eyelet crimp broke off while on a ride and I noticed the bike lost the smoothness and while getting on the gas onto the hwy it lacked the power I was used to... pulled over temporary fixed the connection, saw the light come back on and felt the bike back to its old self...

I'm kinda with you.. If you don't own one then

[antmor69]

POS should be working as advertised out of the box... and the sad fact is IT DOESNT... it doesnt even do what it claims to do...
let people put the information and EXPERIENCE they have with a product out there for the better good of everyone...

Yes!! Let us! Your key word there is EXPERIENCE. That's the issue here most of the naysayers have no EXPERIENCE with the product. I probably have more miles on the PowerPro than anybody. 12,000 miles. Original board. It simply works.



[/QUOTE=lineman1398;1684714] the sad fact is most bikes are running better not because of the power pro... but because of the exhaust and intakes we put on that make us buy a fuel mgmt system...[/QUOTE]

This is partly true. The pipes and intakes do help. I switched from an old style FI2000R to the PowerPro and there was a noticeable improvement in performance. My gas mileage stayed virtually the same.

[lineman1398]

i am not saying you cant say what you want... but dont complain when other people are... reading is fundamental

[Big-B]

bernie,
the good and bad about all products need to be posted.... i know i wouldnt have spent the 500 on this thing to take a chance that it may work with the current board, or get a bad board then have to waste time to get a new board when the POS should be working as advertised out of the box... and the sad fact is IT DOESNT... it doesnt even do what it claims to do... let people put the information and experience they have with a product out there for the better good of everyone...

the sad fact is most bikes are running better not because of the power pro... but because of the exhaust and intakes we put on that make us buy a fuel mgmt system...

bottom line... everyone has questions and opinions and experiences and they are all different... just because they arent the products biggest cheerleaders doesnt mean they cant speak their minds...

Chad, I understand your point. If the product isn't doing what it claims, how do you explain the all the positive feedback from buyers? I honestly think you are the only one so far that wasn't happy w/ the unit. I could be wrong. Do you still have it? if so, are you planning on selling it and going w/ something else? My point is, guys that buy one and post what a good experience they are having w/ the product have their thread turned into a pissing match by someone that doesn't own one.

[lineman1398]

i think most of the positive reviews are attributed to the additions of intakes and exhaust... people are going from a stock bike which is a strong fast bike to a bike with intakes, exhaust increasing the already impressive horsepower and torque

If someone would give me the 500+ dollars it cost for it i would sell it... not loosing money on it.
now that i have the one with the pot that i had to adjust to fix the problem i am satisfied... not happy

but i could have saved 300 dollars getting the 2000r that does the same thing this one did...


and i to understand your point and agree... if you dont have one dont speculate

[Big-B]

i think most of the positive reviews are attributed to the additions of intakes and exhaust... people are going from a stock bike which is a strong fast bike to a bike with intakes, exhaust increasing the already impressive horsepower and torque

If someone would give me the 500+ dollars it cost for it i would sell it... not loosing money on it.
now that i have the one with the pot that i had to adjust to fix the problem i am satisfied... not happy

but i could have saved 300 dollars getting the 2000r that does the same thing this one did...


and i to understand your point and agree... if you dont have one dont speculate

I'll disagree here. I think most had a fully modded bike already and went from their old unit to the PP. I did, and there was a huge difference. My bike never ran better/stronger or got better gas mileage in the 2 years I've owned it.

[Latinrascal]

Here is a comparison between the first cobra and the second.

I run the first version. Prior, I ran the fi2000r and was averaging about 155-160 miles per tank before the fuel light started blinking. With my power pro, I am getting the same, if not a slight bit more. The last 2 tanks I hit 167, which amazed me. Throttle response is crisp and the bike has never run better.

Mary had the surging. We got the new unit with the adjustable fuel pod. I put hers in, leaving it at 0 and not adjusting it. The bike runs identical to mine with not one issue. She is getting the same fuel mpg as I am.

We have raced, the bikes are dead even, just like when we had the fi2000's. We both run the big air kit, and I run the freedoms while she runs the swepts. All mods are basically the same except the pipes.

I pulled her plugs on even the old unit that was surging. They were brand new plugs and they were reading perfect, not lean at all. I believe that even if you are not under acceleration, and the unit goes into "sleep" mode, it isn't showing on the plugs. I wonder how much you actually sit in sleep mode. If you have a throttle lock, lock it in and watch how many times you end up adjusting the thing. I guarantee you that you are actually accelerating more than you ever realized and the unit is tuning through all of that.

Thanks for posting Big P. You know I would love to see how your bikes would react by just swapping the powerpro units from bike to bike considering as you said they are operating on an almost identical level right now! I don't know what it would prove or disprove at this point but it would lead to more questions and someone may have the answer.

I agree with you about adjusting the throttle lock all the time and the fact that as you tweak the throttle the pp wakes and tunes which renders my theory a mute point because realisticly we tend to adjust throttle quite often. To be honest when I'm riding in a group I tend not to use my break-a-way for that very reason but when I'm riding solo I generally set it and forget it save adjusting for hills when needed but not often in my area.

[Turboman]

I just noticed you directed your comment at me, I wasn't ignoring you, just didn't see it. No I'm not a politician not have I ever desired to be. Fancy words and BS with no Real data? I do have to say that's the first time in my life i have ever been accused of using fancy words :)
I invite you to disprove my theory, by all means please be my guess! I know what I've been told and what info I have thus far and have asked for input from other's however you choose to do nothing beneficial so I ask you, why post? You added nothing!

A bit lean can be a pretty subjective statement considering many members have found their stock bikes to be mapped towards the "lean" side of the spec. Why, emissions I assume. Now what happens when we open up the breathing of a big motor like this? are you comfortable stating riding around with a lean running motor will not or can not cause damage?

My issue with your statements is that you, and some others, try to come off like you're a mechanical engineer when you barely rate as a backyard mechanic!

My bike was popping, spitting and coughing around 3000 rpms until I installed a fuel manager. Now it runs incredibly smooth and powerful with no issues. So is that just a "placebo affect"? It seems to me that you're trying to say that all of us that have positive first hand experiences with these units are just idiots and that they really do not work.

I'm not saying they cure every issue in the world, nor do they add any significant HP, but my bike runs the balls with it on and I'm keeping it!

[lineman1398]

bernie... after paying the money we pay for these things i would want to think the same thing, glad you can... its a shame i can't

[Big-B]

bernie... after paying the money we pay for these things i would want to think the same thing, glad you can... its a shame i can't

Yup, me too Chad since you're a new owner of a 9.