Counteract Tire Balancing beads

[RUBZERK]

Came across this product at a show today.

http://youtu.be/UllPCYhlHU8

http://www.tirebalancingbeads.com/

[Big-B]

Not getting the point of your post. Same as dyna beads IMO.

[She's real fine my 109]

I get my beads here

http://www.modeltford.com/

[RUBZERK]

I guess these are coated with a type of silicon that allow them to stick to where they need to be. As the tire wears down they move to rebalance the tire. They claim 10% longer tire life and are safe for cars with tpms.

[Latinrascal]

Sounds to be another type of dynabeads where these are made of tempered glass specialy coated to prevent clumping even in the presence of "excessive moisture" compared to the dynabeads that are made of ceramic and have no special coating.

Sounds like they would work equally as well just another option! I personally don't buy the "special coating" mumbo jumbo, if there is moisture your gonna get some clumping. Even with the dynabeads not having a special coating I have never had a balance issue once installed and there was moisture in my wheel last time I changed the tire. But its always good to have options, hell maybe this will cause the price to go down to a more reasonable price before I install on the rest of my vehicles!

[Zoom]

I bought a 20 ounce bag of the Counteract beads from ebay and have used most of them. They are a lot finer than Dynabeads, so they go through the valve stem easier and faster. And they seem to work the same.

The last 160 front tire I mounted I think I got a little "extra" lube in the tire and it didn't seem to want to balance as well. I think the Counteract beads were clumping a little, so I added an ounce of the real Dynabeads to the tire and it smoothed right out.

The Counteract beads look like sand compared to the small round balls of the Dynabeads.

[Latinrascal]

The Counteract beads look like sand compared to the small round balls of the Dynabeads.

Wow really! Now I don't think it would do any harm but I also believe not to push my luck if I can avoid it. Sand is an abrasive as we al know so over time my luck who knows! i do know that I would rather have the smooth round ceramic beads. Good info, thanks

[Zoom]

Wow really! Now I don't think it would do any harm but I also believe not to push my luck if I can avoid it. Sand is an abrasive as we al know so over time my luck who knows! i do know that I would rather have the smooth round ceramic beads. Good info, thanks

Latin, I ran them for probably 22,000 miles with no problems. I only used Dynabeads in my first set then switched over to these, and I've got 29,000 on the bike. I wouldn't worry about the abrasiveness as they just ride around inside the tire. I actually had more small rubber pieces in with the Dynabeads than I do with these. Some of the Dynabeads actually get coated in rubber from the tire and turn black.

I think they are probably a coarse grit of sand blast media. A friend of mine brought some of his media to work and we compared it to the Counteract beads and it was hard to tell the difference. And you can buy that stuff in 10-25-50 pound buckets cheap. He has a BMW R1200GS and it has air pressure sensors in the tires and he was concerned the beads would damage the sensors, so he runs Airsoft pellets in his. And they work just fine so far. He's on his second set of tires using them.

Oh, the Counteract beads only look like sand, you can tell they are actually glass. They sparkle in the sun.

[TRod]

Not sure I buy all of the claims. They say that the beads are teflon coated and yet they are able to stick to the inside of the tire? Teflon is pretty slick stuff. 0 MPH balancing? That assumes all the beads clump and stick to the inside of the tire. I dunno about that. Even if they did, a bump at low speed would likely dislodge them. 2 weeks before they fall away from the tire? Balance past 30 MPH where the others don't? And this statement which includes a wrong word:

"#1 Rule in Tire Bead Balancing: If the Beads fall when you stop don't buy them. Your not Balanced!"

Should have been "you're".

Do they work? Probably. But I doubt that they work exactly like the claims.

[She's real fine my 109]

I'll stick with the dyna beads. Only thing i see with them is the ceramic wares off and the beads are black so their coated with ceramic. Don't know what the inside of the dyna beads. Testing the beads I found you should only use them once.


Sounds to me like the dyna beads are being use by more people so we have us a scumbag that's trying to move in on dyna beads. I'll stick with the beads.


Dave

[jimmy450r]

If they stick then they don't move, if they don't move they can't "correct" themselves as speed changes.....

balance at 30mph can be different than balance at 130mph
(I'm assuming because tires out of balance are usually smooth until you hit that certain speed)

something about the website just doesn't feel right, like it's full of fluff and not enough info on the actual product.
the video shows installation only, I want to see the beads.

maybe someone should put them in a clear plastic water bottle and a drill so we can see a direct comparison between dyna beads and counterwhatever

[Nitrogary]

what the hell is that contraption he is using to install (sarcasm). do i have to rent that thing and how much extra is that ? ill just stick to my dynabeads.....thye are reasonably priced, easy to install myself and most importantly, they work

[Latinrascal]

I personally believe any "fluid particle" can be used to accomplish the same results, like someone using air soft pellets orsand blast media! You truly don't want anything sticking in place so if doesn't move, this would be counterproductive to your end goal. The fluid motion is what allows the beads to work so well because at different speeds you will need a different balance. When you stop and they fall to the bottom of the tire well that is ok because it doesn't take much tire turning for them to spread out and rebalance that wheel again. You can have a wheel that is way out of balance and you will never know that until you get to the speed where that tire just wants to bounce around but because of the fluid motion of the beads it gets balanced before there is any bounce. It's not rocket science but there are a lot of physics involved that's for sure!

[TRod]

I personally believe any "fluid particle" can be used to accomplish the same results, like someone using air soft pellets orsand blast media! You truly don't want anything sticking in place so if doesn't move, this would be counterproductive to your end goal. The fluid motion is what allows the beads to work so well because at different speeds you will need a different balance. When you stop and they fall to the bottom of the tire well that is ok because it doesn't take much tire turning for them to spread out and rebalance that wheel again. You can have a wheel that is way out of balance and you will never know that until you get to the speed where that tire just wants to bounce around but because of the fluid motion of the beads it gets balanced before there is any bounce. It's not rocket science but there are a lot of physics involved that's for sure!

I remember years ago at the state fair a guy was selling the balancers that bolted between the wheel and brake drum or disc. He had this prepared presentation with a small wheel that he intentionally put out of balance (really out of balance) and then popped on the balancer and it ran perfectly smooth. He said what was in the balancer was a viscous fluid and precision ball bearings. It was late in the day and he seemed to have had a few drinks along the way. In a moment of weakness he admitted it was just BBs and oil.

[Zoom]

I'll stick with the dyna beads. Only thing i see with them is the ceramic wares off and the beads are black so their coated with ceramic. Don't know what the inside of the dyna beads. Testing the beads I found you should only use them once.


Sounds to me like the dyna beads are being use by more people so we have us a scumbag that's trying to move in on dyna beads. I'll stick with the beads.


Dave

Dave, that's not the ceramic wearing off, it's rubber sticking to the outside of the ceramic beads. I saved some from the first set of tires I had them in and wanted to add them to the tire I mentioned above, to see if it would balance it better. I took some fine screen wire to filter out what I thought was small rubber balls, but then found the rubber would flake off and the ceramic bead was inside.

I remember years ago at the state fair a guy was selling the balancers that bolted between the wheel and brake drum or disc. He had this prepared presentation with a small wheel that he intentionally put out of balance (really out of balance) and then popped on the balancer and it ran perfectly smooth. He said what was in the balancer was a viscous fluid and precision ball bearings. It was late in the day and he seemed to have had a few drinks along the way. In a moment of weakness he admitted it was just BBs and oil.

I actually have a pair of those, maybe 4 of them. I was cleaning out one of my storage buildings a few years ago and found them stuck in a corner. I think I bought them back not long after high school so they are 35-40 years old. Mine had something that sounds like sand in them, they make a ssshh ssshh sound when you rotate them. I don't remember if they worked or not, but they only worked on drum brakes. The calipers are in the way on most disc brakes. They were just a thin flat metal plate with a bunch of slots in them so they were universal, and a plastic ring around the edge with whatever was used to do the balancing.

[darooster]

I just installed the counteract beads.I asked the shop to try to not use too much tire lube because i was using those beads.They said no problem as they only use it on the outer edge of the tire bead. Tire is seated perfectly on the wheel. I put the beads in and it rides as smooth as silk.

[BradSmith]

What kind of speeds is anyone running with dyna beads?
I tried them for the first time for my last tire change and right away noticed a up/down vibration at higher speeds.

I am on my second C109 (traded first one after 45,000 km) and have 24,000 km on my 2010 C109 and have had 4 or 5 sets of tires.
Everything is fine until you hit 140km/h (85-90mph) or higher. The faster you accelerate the more vibration you get. It is definitely the beads (dealer put them in during tire installation, after warning me not to, but after my insistence)

Suffice to say, not happy with them. Prior to these I was quite comfortable with the smoothness to lock the throttle and ride hands free at almost any speed. (done carefully, but trying to convey the difference in ride)

When I first noticed this, I found other posts on the internet about this. I guess if you never go too fast you wouldn't know the difference.
I have had both C109s up near the limit 225-230 km/h (130-140 mph) with no issues and smooth (before dyna beeds). However after dynabead, got a real bad sway back and forth at 195 km/h and had to slow down real fast.

[Latinrascal]

What kind of speeds is anyone running with dyna beads?
I tried them for the first time for my last tire change and right away noticed a up/down vibration at higher speeds.

I am on my second C109 (traded first one after 45,000 km) and have 24,000 km on my 2010 C109 and have had 4 or 5 sets of tires.
Everything is fine until you hit 140km/h (85-90mph) or higher. The faster you accelerate the more vibration you get. It is definitely the beads (dealer put them in during tire installation, after warning me not to, but after my insistence)

Suffice to say, not happy with them. Prior to these I was quite comfortable with the smoothness to lock the throttle and ride hands free at almost any speed. (done carefully, but trying to convey the difference in ride)

When I first noticed this, I found other posts on the internet about this. I guess if you never go too fast you wouldn't know the difference.
I have had both C109s up near the limit 225-230 km/h (130-140 mph) with no issues and smooth (before dyna beeds). However after dynabead, got a real bad sway back and forth at 195 km/h and had to slow down real fast.

You my Friend are the only person I've heard of that has had problems with the dynabeads. On my bike from cruising to high speed runs its smooth as glass.

[Big-B]

You my Friend are the only person I've heard of that has had problems with the dynabeads. On my bike from cruising to high speed runs its smooth as glass.