well the third ride, tonight around 100 miles ran perfect only ran it up to redline twice pulled hard all the way...
well the third ride, tonight around 100 miles ran perfect only ran it up to redline twice pulled hard all the way...
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Its for the C109Originally Posted by Gold5th
I might consider a PP if it didn't lose all its memory every time you shut off the ignition...
Seriously? How you know this?
It is using the base map in the ecu. As soon as you fire up the bike it is immediately tuning.
Yup I know.. but Cobra lists the same part # for the C and the M... I can't even find the part DLP has on their site on cobra's site.
Yes, but from what I understand, it has to learn everything all over again...you'd think Cobra would've designed it so it at least retained the basics...
True. But, if it is reading the crank at 80 times/sec or what have you, as soon as the bike fired up it is tuning. Seems like it doesn't need memory anyway. I am no tuner, but I would think that the amount it is measuring, it really doesn't need a whole lot at any given point to put it right where it needs to be.
Don't you need to run the bike hard through the few gears every time you start it, like you do right after installing the PP? If you don't do this, where is it getting this info?
I started my bike up and let it idle and it ran great. I took it up the street without hammering it and it was awesome. I didn't even run it hard until later on and noticed no difference. I have about 2k miles on mine now and I rarely hammer it. It acts the same every time so I really doubt anyone needs to run it through the gears hard like they suggest. It gets it's info right off the base map and reading the crank. If it can tune 80times/second then it is tuning from the minute it is fired up. Think about it, does the unit tune any better by romping it? I doubt it as it is doing the same reading up the rpm scale. Now, it might act different on wide open throttle but I doubt that would effect the overall tuning of each cell in the table but I am not sure.
Last edited by BigpapaM109; 07-18-2012 at 02:51 PM.
You are correct. It only learns at wot and it depends on the stock map for just cursing along. If your bike has stock 02 sensors it depends on the stock system to make adjustments at all speeds except wot where the pp takes over. If your bike does not have stock 02 sensors then supposedly it has a safety aspect that richens the fuel curve so you don't run lean in a non programming situation because it only learns at wot. This info is a straight to the point rundown from the people behind the powerpro @ cobra just stated in my words.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=HYyWNItrF-Q
It basically says that it builds on itself however it doesn't say that it does it everytime you start it.
Just got off the phone with Andrey at Cobra who invited anyone to call. The powerpro starts reading the ecu stock map. It DOES NOT need a wot blast to tune. It starts tuning on acceleration so as soon as you start moving the bike is tuning. It will meter 60-80 times per second and then keep adding fuel as the bike needs it or take it away upon what they determine is the way it should run in the programmer.
Last edited by BigpapaM109; 07-18-2012 at 03:43 PM.
Thanks Harris, I was just about to ask that very question
IT'S NOT ABOUT HOW FAST YOU GET THERE, IT'S ABOUT THE RIDE ITSELF. TAKE YOUR TIME AND ENJOY IT!!
You know it really seems to be a good product and I understand the need to be somewhat secretive about how something may work but to be honest I feel if cobra would just lay this info out there they would gain more of a market share. Too much guessing and he said she said to this product which just tends to turn people off from trying the next best thing and they tend to stick to what they already know.
Big P, I recall that cobra sent you a new circuit board to install to help with an issue you are having on one of your bikes, by any chance is this board similar to the older cobra units that have pod adjustments? Yes or No what was their explanation as to the need for this new circuit board?
See this is part of the problem, here is almost a completely different answer to the same question I posed to them! You can't get 2 of the cobra reps to say the same thing regardless of if they are correct or not. One says it need wot to learn because this is the only time it tunes and now your answer above!
Last edited by Latinrascal; 07-18-2012 at 04:01 PM.
All the promo material says it tunes for wot, it tunes if you're lugging.. so if it only does it's thing at wot.. why would it tune if you're lugging?
These statements are dead on from my experience with the PowerPro. Over 9000 miles worth. How many glowing reviews does it take to convince people it simply works? Yeah so there has been a handfull of people experience issues. I see issues all the time on this board with the power commander. If you don't believe it then don't buy one.
Last edited by antmor69; 07-18-2012 at 05:48 PM.
I don't know much about any of these systems but from what I have read this unit needs to re-learn everything all over again and not just by starting the bike up, it needs to be ran thru the gears because it adjusts with the rate of acceleration. It could take running the bike a few blocks before it starts doing any adjustments. This is one of the main reasons why I am not entirely sold on this product's claims. I am getting close but I am not sold yet
EDIT.... Here is the link that I was looking for and one of the most informatives I've read up to date on this product: http://www.vtxoa.com/forums/showthre...A-Complete-FAQ
How does it remember the settings for my bike?
The simple answer is that it doesn't. The PowerPro uses an "EVENT MEMORY" or as computer guys call it a "CACHE". When you turn the bike on the cache begins. This cash is cleared when the bike is turned off.
If it doesn't remember setting for my bike, how long will it take to "learn" what MY bike needs?
Simple answer: A couple blocks at most.
Longer answer: The PowerPro doesn't "learn" while the throttle is still. That translates to: "It starts to adapt to your bike as soon as you get on the road. Cobra, and the other 2 people on the webcast who have a PowerPro agreed that it would run like "normal" (or close to) until it had been ridden a few blocks. The best way to speed that up is the run it up the RPMs a few times. That doesn't mean that you need to go through all of the gears but the power.
Anyone who said it takes a "couple hundred miles and then it's been fine since" is mis-representing the product. The PowerPro has no memory once the bike is turned off.
Last edited by Duende01; 07-18-2012 at 06:00 PM.
It doesn't use the bikes acceleration but the crank acceleration based on the time between injector pulses and it adjusts the fuel from there based on what you'r doing over the pass x many samples.. so if you're cruising it might pull a little fuel if you're accelerating it'll add more fuel...
I have it here but haven't put it on yet. We are heading on a trip with the bikes Friday and decided to wait until after before reinstalling it. I will post up once I do. There is one pod on the board. I still don't understand why I need that pod but they explained it changes the fuel range that it can compensate. I call b.s. but giddy did his and said it fixed it.
Correct. I was in a rush to type and get out the door.
Thanks man. Pretty bang on. Took my time and came in just shy of two hours.
As for all the debate about how it works ..... Who cares ? It just works. LOL And it works awesome !!!
I noticed a difference right across the spectrum and find it pulls better and cruises smoother.
The only negative ...... It's REALLY hard not to open the throttle wide !
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well ride 4 around 80 miles ran perfect and great gas milage was not babing it but not running hard . I can usually guess how much my milage is by the way I drive and am usually close was figuring around 39- 40 mpg and got 43.8 mpg which is good I usually get 42 at best if I take it easy on that route....
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Folks,
I'm a new '12 109 owner and new to this forum so excuse if I'm posting this in the wrong area. I've been considering the power pro but Cobra's website only states fitment for 06-11 models. I contacted Cobra who stated they could make no guarantees for the 2012 model. Curious if anyone has any experience with the Fi2000 and a '12 model?
BTW - wonderful forum/website, glad to be here and riding the 109!
Not sure if it works properly on the 12 but feel free to be the site guinea pig haha
Welcome to the site and enjoy your 109. Its a great bike ! After 4 yrs I STILL love mine.
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I don't have any facts as basis for this but I'd put it on a 12. JMO. I just don't think there's any difference in the 12s mechanically or driveability wise.
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