Just installed TRE and wow!

[RadAtThis]

just ordered the tre 30 cant beat that

[zmetal4]

My Track Day TRE is on its way today. I have alot of 25/35 MPH neighborhoods that I have to cut through, so I'm hoping this lets third gear run smoother until I can turn her loose out in the country!

[frankthatsme]

I installed the GMan TRE a couple of weeks ago and wanted to have time to thoroughly evaluate it. I can drive through parking lots with better throttle control and not have the bike bog down at slower speeds. As far as WOT through the first three gears I do not really notice a difference but want to say that it seems to get there quicker, this could just be me. I cannot comment on the Rev limiter for 5th. My overall thoughts on this product are that my purchase was a good one; the bike was touchy in the parking lots.

Just my two cents. This was a decent purchase.

[Robert May]

My Track Day TRE is on its way today. I have alot of 25/35 MPH neighborhoods that I have to cut through, so I'm hoping this lets third gear run smoother until I can turn her loose out in the country!

It will cure that hurky jurky garbage at low in town speeds. That drove me crazy.

[Torn]

I installed the GMan TRE a couple of weeks ago and wanted to have time to thoroughly evaluate it. I can drive through parking lots with better throttle control and not have the bike bog down at slower speeds. As far as WOT through the first three gears I do not really notice a difference but want to say that it seems to get there quicker, this could just be me. I cannot comment on the Rev limiter for 5th. My overall thoughts on this product are that my purchase was a good one; the bike was touchy in the parking lots.

Just my two cents. This was a decent purchase.

Have you noticed any changes in gas milage....since putting mine on a week ago...im steady getting warning light at 130miles regardless of how I ride.....a few hard take offs...130miles...riding it like my grandma....130miles.....any input from anyone would be great.

[frankthatsme]

I did check the fuel milage before putting the TRE on and was at 39 MPG. The last tank full I did reset the odom and when I fill up again I will be glad to post the results.

[zmetal4]

Recieved and installed my Track Day Electronics TRE today. Thanks to Darrin at TDE for ultimate shipping! Three days! So I only got to ride around the block, but I will say the bike has better throttle response and seems to ride third gear very smoothly through my neighborhood. I'm happy so far. Can't wait to get out to some real roads!

[MR.X]

Just a quick question..why there's no M109 on their compatibility list?

[frankthatsme]

Have you noticed any changes in gas milage....since putting mine on a week ago...im steady getting warning light at 130miles regardless of how I ride.....a few hard take offs...130miles...riding it like my grandma....130miles.....any input from anyone would be great.

I have run through two tanks of fuel. The first tank I will give to scientific testing of the effects the Gman TRE had, this tank was 33 MPG.
The second tank which was more conservative was 37 MPG. Now I am riding a new 2009 M90 not a 109. The miles on the bike as of today was 2165 I believe give or take 100 (the memory isn’t what it use to be and I am going to use lazy as the reason for not having the exact.) The two miles lost could be official break in or being overall familiar with how the bike acts and responds. Just wanted to give the update. Oh I just thought of something, I did install a set of Klicbags 23L. Those flat surfaces might affect MPG also.

[Torn]

I have run through two tanks of fuel. The first tank I will give to scientific testing of the effects the Gman TRE had, this tank was 33 MPG.
The second tank which was more conservative was 37 MPG. Now I am riding a new 2009 M90 not a 109. The miles on the bike as of today was 2165 I believe give or take 100 (the memory isn’t what it use to be and I am going to use lazy as the reason for not having the exact.) The two miles lost could be official break in or being overall familiar with how the bike acts and responds. Just wanted to give the update. Oh I just thought of something, I did install a set of Klicbags 23L. Those flat surfaces might affect MPG also.

Thanks for the update...it was weird and could have something to do with me replacing plugs...first two tanks 32-33 mpg....this last tank....back up to around 37mpg with a couple of wide open take offs...so back to normal pretty much...just first two tanks went fast....

[jeffrey]

hey guys just another question on these x-tre i read on there website that it makes the bike seem like its always in 4 but can be changed to 5 gear too. so im wondering whats the change between the 4 and 5 ??

[zmetal4]

That's a good question Jeffrey. I'm curious as well. Healtech claims that you can turn their ATRE on/off, set it for 4,5,or 6 gear. What's the difference?

[Deno_n_philly]

I see the X-TRE for 2011 is $132.99:

http://www.calsportbike.com/xtre/

Then i kept reading and saw Gear Emulator (ATRE) = $30 + Shipping

http://trackdayelectronics.com/gear_emulator.php

There is a big money difference, but what is the difference for 2011? I understand that the X-TRE will let me continue to use my gear indicator, the ATRE won't? Are they the same thing?

Thanks for your help too.. Do i just get the X-TRE or both??

[Flanker]

Just ordered one from Track Day Electronics. Thanks for the info and links!

[BobbyMac]

Just ordered one from Track Day Electronics. Thanks for the info and links!

Track Day rulz!

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[GassGuzzler]

Track Day here and Love it

[vurider]

Hey guys I just installed the JSD-3M I bought from Mr Sandman the other day. I have to say I absolutly loved this bike before but now holy crap it is so much smoother now I love it even more. Thanks Mr Sandman it was a pleasure doing business with you.

On A side note why the hell would Suzuki make the bike run like this. I cant believe the diference this tiny little item made to the overall rideing expierience.

I totally agree !

[jeffrey]

so i guess no one knows the difference

[bpoisson55]

so i guess no one knows the difference

The only difference between a TRE and an X-TRE is that an X-TRE will allow the use of the gear indicator on 2011 and 2012 models.

[bpoisson55]

so i guess no one knows the difference

A TRE and a ATRE are the same thing.

[chesshine5000]

To the gentleman above, this was actually his question, not just what is the difference between the two types of TREs.

hey guys just another question on these x-tre i read on there website that it makes the bike seem like its always in 4 but can be changed to 5 gear too. so im wondering whats the change between the 4 and 5 ??

The only reason I am posting this, is because I am curious too.

I also have another question. I understand what a TRE does, but my question is why did Suzuki engineer their engine and pc to perform the way it does? Over time, could a TRE or ATRE do damage to your machine? I'm not saying the M109R engineers are perfect, but it just makes me wonder. Thanks!

[GRUMPY]

To the gentleman above, this was actually his question, not just what is the difference between the two types of TREs.



The only reason I am posting this, is because I am curious too.

I also have another question. I understand what a TRE does, but my question is why did Suzuki engineer their engine and pc to perform the way it does? Over time, could a TRE or ATRE do damage to your machine? I'm not saying the M109R engineers are perfect, but it just makes me wonder. Thanks!

Guys, I just installed an XTRE on my 9 and just like I always do, I saved the instructions. I'm not really sure what the difference is, but this is the the explination in section 2.2:

"Note:
- You can try different settings and see how it works on your bike. E.g. using mode 6 on the GSXR1000 K7+ models will give better overall performance but sets the RPM limit lower by about 450 RPM's"

I have mine set on 4 with no problems, and apparently it comes set on 4 as I have not changed it.....maybe I'll try 5 and see what happens

[Deno_n_philly]

Chess makes a great point though... why wouldn's suzuki make the ride smoother out of the gate.. it does lend for one to think, it could cause damage. Does anyone know anybody who has had theirs on for any real length of time. I am thinking about getting one and just not real sure now.

[KarateMoto]

I've had the Trackday for some time, but wanted to get some KM's on the bike before switching it in. I have to admit . . it wasn't night and day. Smoother. . .yes, especially through that 2500-3500 range, which was a big plus . . .but I did not notice the tire ripping improvement some had hoped for or posted about. The bike is pretty awesome out of the box, but I do have PC3, pipes, etc. I certainly didn't notice any drop in performance, so the smoothness is a big plus, if not the only plus.

[tde]

A TRE and a ATRE are the same thing.

Not true. It can be confusing though. Hopefully, I can shed some light on the differences.


A TRE is a single resistor unit. It can affect starting the bike and will screw with Neutral idling. Hopefully no one is buying these anymore, but I do know companies that still sell these.


An ATRE is a transistor based circuit which disables the unit in Neutral, so Neutral idling and starting issues are not a concern.


A Gear Emulator is a product name by Track Day Electronics and what we and many riders in this forum believe is the best value in ATRE units. We call our unit a Gear Emulator because that is the "true" function of the unit. It emulates a certain gear, in the case of the M109, it is 4th gear. There is more information on our site at http://www.trackdayelectronics.com/gear_emulator.php


An X-TRE is a unit produced by Heal-Tech which is an ATRE, but also allows for the OEM Gear Indicator to continue to function. This would be for you guys with the newest M109s (2011+). They have more information on their site. TDE chose not to make a X-TRE type unit simply because the retail price would be too close to that of Heal-Techs and that would've made no sense for our business.




Whatever you do, PLEASE do NOT hack up your wiring on your beautiful $12,000 motorcycle. We sell OEM quality units at an exceptionally low price, so there is no reason for that.

darrin
TrackDayElectronics.com

***Proud Supporters of the 2012 Mid-Atlantic M109 Riders Meet*** ( http://www.m109riders.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=145878 )







Also, beware of units sold really cheap on eBay. Below is an actual unit that we purchased from someone on eBay. We will NOT disclose who the company is, but they still sell these....

[bpoisson55]

Not true. It can be confusing though. Hopefully, I can shed some light on the differences.


A TRE is a single resistor unit. It can affect starting the bike and will screw with Neutral idling. Hopefully no one is buying these anymore, but I do know companies that still sell these.


An ATRE is a transistor based circuit which disables the unit in Neutral, so Neutral idling and starting issues are not a concern.


A Gear Emulator is a product name by Track Day Electronics and what we and many riders in this forum believe is the best value in ATRE units. We call our unit a Gear Emulator because that is the "true" function of the unit. It emulates a certain gear, in the case of the M109, it is 4th gear. There is more information on our site at http://www.trackdayelectronics.com/gear_emulator.php


An X-TRE is a unit produced by Heal-Tech which is an ATRE, but also allows for the OEM Gear Indicator to continue to function. This would be for you guys with the newest M109s (2011+). They have more information on their site. TDE chose not to make a X-TRE type unit simply because the retail price would be too close to that of Heal-Techs and that would've made no sense for our business.




Whatever you do, PLEASE do NOT hack up your wiring on your beautiful $12,000 motorcycle. We sell OEM quality units at an exceptionally low price, so there is no reason for that.

darrin
TrackDayElectronics.com

***Proud Supporters of the 2012 Mid-Atlantic M109 Riders Meet*** ( http://www.m109riders.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=145878 )







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Thanks for setting me straight! Also, a lot of guys rave about your product. I was hoping you would eventually come out with an X-TRE a little bit cheaper than what is currently offered. I guess I won't have to wait then.

[bpoisson55]

Chess makes a great point though... why wouldn's suzuki make the ride smoother out of the gate.. it does lend for one to think, it could cause damage. Does anyone know anybody who has had theirs on for any real length of time. I am thinking about getting one and just not real sure now.

I have read somewher on this site that they retard the timing for emissions reasons.

[BlessThisNine]

I ordered the one from track day off of ebay it was like 35 bucks. Have not tried it yet cause bike is in peices

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[chesshine5000]

Not true. It can be confusing though. Hopefully, I can shed some light on the differences.


A TRE is a single resistor unit. It can affect starting the bike and will screw with Neutral idling. Hopefully no one is buying these anymore, but I do know companies that still sell these.


An ATRE is a transistor based circuit which disables the unit in Neutral, so Neutral idling and starting issues are not a concern.


A Gear Emulator is a product name by Track Day Electronics and what we and many riders in this forum believe is the best value in ATRE units. We call our unit a Gear Emulator because that is the "true" function of the unit. It emulates a certain gear, in the case of the M109, it is 4th gear. There is more information on our site at http://www.trackdayelectronics.com/gear_emulator.php


An X-TRE is a unit produced by Heal-Tech which is an ATRE, but also allows for the OEM Gear Indicator to continue to function. This would be for you guys with the newest M109s (2011+). They have more information on their site. TDE chose not to make a X-TRE type unit simply because the retail price would be too close to that of Heal-Techs and that would've made no sense for our business.




Whatever you do, PLEASE do NOT hack up your wiring on your beautiful $12,000 motorcycle. We sell OEM quality units at an exceptionally low price, so there is no reason for that.

darrin
TrackDayElectronics.com

***Proud Supporters of the 2012 Mid-Atlantic M109 Riders Meet*** ( http://www.m109riders.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=145878 )







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Thank you very much for the awesome breakdown above. Could you please comment on my question that I asked a bit earlier? Why would the Suzuki engineers have left the need for this product when they designed and engineered the M109? I know that you guys are in the game to make money, but have you seen what the long term affects of using these products that essentially trick the stock computer? I'm just wondering why the engineers would have left a part that is so cheap and easy to install out. Thanks!

[tde]

Why would the Suzuki engineers have left the need for this product when they designed and engineered the M109?

Good question. The fact is, the majority, if not, all 4-stroke motorcycles that Suzuki has made since ~2001 have had some timing retard applied in the first few gears. Other brands do this as well, but it's not as easy to correct.

Retarding the timing does a few things - prevents kickback and helps the engine start easier. It also lowers engine speed which may result in a lower idle which can save fuel - but it may also have a rougher idle depending on the amount of retard.

What we do know is that the small amount of timing advance that an ATRE can help remove can restore the power that is lost and smooth out the throttle response in those lower gears. That is evident by the comments made by the riders who have them. Of course, depending on other MODs you have on your motorcycle, the effect varies.

One thing I cannot tell you is why some riders report a much better performance increase than others with similar, if not identical motorcycles - might be riding style, altitude of riding location, fuel type or some other reason.

I know that you guys are in the game to make money, but have you seen what the long term affects of using these products that essentially trick the stock computer?

These ATRE devices have been around at least since 2003 or earlier, and I would guess have a combined several millions of miles between them. There are a lot of them out there - if I had to guess, I would say well over 100,000. Even many dealerships install these items for their customers, so that should show their acceptance. That does not mean that they won't void your warranty - they may and probably do. That is why most companies say for "Off Road Only".

Think about it though - what is essentially happening is that you're telling your motorcycle to pretend that it's in 4th gear. I'm 100% certain that while you ride in 4th gear normally, no damage is occurring to your motorcycle due to the timing associated with being in 4th.

Special Note :: When the motorcycle is at WOT (wide open throttle), the timing retard is removed, no matter the gear it's in. This is standard.

The only time that I would think that you may have an issue, when using an ATRE, is starting your motorcycle in 1st, 2nd or 3rd, but even then, I have never heard of an issue with that. However; starting in NEUTRAL is always the safest bet.

Out of all the MODs out there, including aftermarket air, fuel and exhaust systems, I would venture to say that the ATRE is the safest performance MOD out there. It has a proven track record, requires no additional tuning and does something the motorcycle does by itself already (4th gear).

I know that you guys are in the game to make money...

Originally, I didn't intend on selling Gear Emulators (ATRE). I have a very good day job. But, Ivan's Products was selling them for $80 and I saw that I could simply make one myself for a lot less. After all, it's a very simple basic circuit.

After reworking my product design several times, I decided to go all out and build the best ATRE out there. AND, I DID. Do not be fooled by the low price. We are not making a killing off of these units. They really should retail around $60 with the amount of time that's involved as well as the materials that we use. Our unit costs a lot more to make than any other unit out there - I guarantee it.



We're really grateful to the M109 riders in this forum and the M109 riders all over the globe who have purchased our products - from South Africa to Russia and Australia to Alaska and everywhere in between. This also includes the C109, M90 and C90 riders.

Thanks!

darrin
TrackDayElectronics.com

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