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    Pull the left rear chrome cover. The speedo sensor goes in the secondary housing and is held in by one bolt. pull that sensor out of the housing. I bet it is full of shavings. If it is ,you secondary it probably toast.
    Also if you have a chrome cover over you driveshaft, on the swing pull it and check out you swing arm real good. I broke mine almost all the way around. Thought it was the tranny. Never saw it until I pulled the chrome drive shaft cover. Had my engine completely down and found the tranny was in good shape. Then the cover was pulled!!! and there it was!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigpapaM109 View Post
    Yep, I have seen a couple. The fact that his is hard clunking into gear, and not popping out, makes it sound like the secondary. Also, launching hard at the track has been known to cause a few failures. I know of one user on here launched on the street and broke his.
    I broke that one on the street Playing with a Busa Left the light at 6000 Rpm's Got him on the jump. And Like this man said"IT EXPLODED"
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    Quote Originally Posted by kawzx7 View Post
    Crap, even if you did, it's built to run! Never subscribed to that abuse crap. Abuse is running low on oil, running into crap, towing a bus, but NOT using it for what it is designed.

    I would have no qualms taking mine to the strip, but sh it breaks, and it's always a hassle getting repairs. But I would fight like a pit bull on this.

    Totally agree, My 9 isn't under warranty so i'll prob. be doing the job
    myself to cut down on the bill but if your bike IS under warranty go get them for all you can

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    Yeah, thanks everyone for your comments and help...

    I am pretty sure I still have my original bones, I just need to find a lift to put them back in. I originally put them in with my buddy's help at his garage. But he closed up due to the economy...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockfordrider View Post
    delet the thread! now you have an answer. they will read it.
    My paranoia agrees with Rockford here. Delete the thread NOW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phiberoptik192 View Post
    Dude, that doesnt even make sense... And the lowering shouldnt have crap to do with the transmission...

    ......the rear suspension has nothing to do with how the transmission shifts... it's shifted hard since the day i bought it.
    It does have something to do with your secondary drive.

    I agree that lowering the bike has nothing to do with how the bike shifts but lowering the bike changes the angle of the drive shaft and IMHO allows the bike to hook-up better (like you were doing at the drag strip). Both of those things are detrimental to a weak secondary drive. Suzuki, in my opinion, used inferior parts in certain areas of this bike and they just can't hold up to the power/torque of this motor.


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    Quote Originally Posted by phiberoptik192 View Post
    Dude, that doesnt even make sense... the lowering distance is a negligible difference in anything. And the lowering shouldnt have crap to do with the transmission... Not saying that you are saying this, i know you're saying the Suzuki people will be saying that, but that isn't relevant to the transmission... I dont know, but if Suzuki fights me on this, i'll fight back... the rear suspension has nothing to do with how the transmission shifts... it's shifted hard since the day i bought it.

    Thanks again Spillman, tomorrow's the big day!
    I'd rather see the secondary than the whole tranny tore up. Humor him, I'd check there first. It is a weak link, and I can see that with little experience on the bike. Looks like it would be easier to check than a whole tranny tear down as someone said about the speed sensor bolt. Good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigpapaM109 View Post
    Be very careful with this thought process. They can and might pull the card on the fact that you lowered it. You and most of the world know it probably did not contribute to the failure. If you go in stock, they cannot fight you on it.

    In a nut shell this is how it can go down. They claim lowering bones cause it. You say no, they say tough crap....they won't cover it. You then foot the bill of $2-3K and then have to get an attorney. There is a law that is on the books called the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act. This says that for them to deny you, they have to prove that your mods caused it. The problem is that they do their proof in court, while your money is tied up.

    I have posted this quite a few times, but just some food for thought. If 1000 people break their tranny and Suzuki denies all of them, maybe 10 will actually fight it. If they settle with those 10, how much money have they saved? And, I doubt they care about the reputation side of that argument. Do NOT give them a reason to tell you it was abuse or modded and deny you. If this goes bad, have all your ducks in a row so you can get it taken care of as it should have been. It takes 30-40 minutes to put stock bones on. If you do not have them, let me know and I will send them out asap for you to borrow.
    The info on this site is invaluable.I absolutely love how people go the extra mile to help out others in need. Helped me on mods and teardowns of gas tank etc so much. So fewer headaches when you read from people who KNOW what their doing . Example .....Bigpapa m109
    help on legal advise and tech savvy.....priceless just like Zoom and many others here. And DDs avatar on his post is a ASSET to any club members eyes ...Save except for fellow woman riders hey.
    M 109s and Cobra snakes have a lot in common,,,,Both are fast and very deadly , and both have attitudes that beg you to mess with them

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    By the way ,,reason I read this post over and commented on it is,, my bikes surge in 2nd gear is most likely this same problem. I am PO ed over Suzukis lack of interest and darn right refusal to back up a bike with repeated problem.If percentage of cars had this problem would not consumers watch dog groups come forward with a bitch? Maybe next bike is a Honda or cruiser with less issues. All have their problems I know but ,,,come on suzuki engineers fix it for Gods sake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by m109r rules View Post
    The info on this site is invaluable.I absolutely love how people go the extra mile to help out others in need. Helped me on mods and teardowns of gas tank etc so much. So fewer headaches when you read from people who KNOW what their doing . Example .....Bigpapa m109
    help on legal advise and tech savvy.....priceless just like Zoom and many others here. And DDs avatar on his post is a ASSET to any club members eyes ...Save except for fellow woman riders hey.
    NOW YA DID IT, Harris's head is going to blow like that tranny haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa He with all the other founders of this sight are a wealth of knowledge dats for sure........
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    It could also be that you stripped the drive shaft splines. Some don't have much grease on the final drive end and they rust up badly. More than one on here have stripped those. Since the bike would still move afterward I lean toward the secondary or the drive shaft.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nemo View Post
    NOW YA DID IT, Harris's head is going to blow like that tranny haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa He with all the other founders of this sight are a wealth of knowledge dats for sure........
    Nah, I have read all of Zooms advice over the last few years and am passing it on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigpapaM109 View Post
    Nah, I have read all of Zooms advice over the last few years and am passing it on.

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    OK I read this and get worried a little. Is this bike stock? Should I be worrying about mine doing this?

    Can this come from not shifting into 2nd very smoothly or is it just from riding hard?



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    Quote Originally Posted by m109blondie View Post
    OK I read this and get worried a little. Is this bike stock? Should I be worrying about mine doing this?

    Can this come from not shifting into 2nd very smoothly or is it just from riding hard?



    And P.S, I'd rather look at DD's Avatar than a lot of the others I see here.......

    No offense taken or intended....:-)
    It is not common. However, if you beat on the bike, you do risk damaging something. My bike has 37k, Mary's has 15k and we don't abuse them. There are a few occasions where I hit first to second very hard. I usually preload it first. That means pull up on your boot against the shifter so when it is time to shift, it clicks right in. However, I treat this bike like a cruiser and enjoy it. Most of our hard runs are second, third and 4th gear. If you treat it like a race bike, it is going to break. Just ride and enjoy it. This is a problem with the bike, but believe me, not common enough to freak out and worry about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoom View Post
    It could also be that you stripped the drive shaft splines. Some don't have much grease on the final drive end and they rust up badly. More than one on here have stripped those. Since the bike would still move afterward I lean toward the secondary or the drive shaft.
    GM zoomer, The shaft comes out when we pull the final drive, What holds it in the final drive, to get it out to grease it? A C clip or??
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigpapaM109 View Post
    It is not common. However, if you beat on the bike, you do risk damaging something. My bike has 37k, Mary's has 15k and we don't abuse them. There are a few occasions where I hit first to second very hard. I usually preload it first. That means pull up on your boot against the shifter so when it is time to shift, it clicks right in. However, I treat this bike like a cruiser and enjoy it. Most of our hard runs are second, third and 4th gear. If you treat it like a race bike, it is going to break. Just ride and enjoy it. This is a problem with the bike, but believe me, not common enough to freak out and worry about it.
    I have learned what the "pre-load" thing is yes. And it made a HUGE improvement in that shift. Thank you Big Papa. I won't "cringe" if I happen to miss 2nd once in awhile now.

    I for some reason have always had 1-2 shift issues on every bike I have ridden. Been nicknamed "clunky".....let's not get into it......I gotta complex and stuff. Didn't want to psyche myself out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigpapaM109 View Post
    Nah, I have read all of Zooms advice over the last few years and am passing it on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m109blondie View Post
    I have learned what the "pre-load" thing is yes. And it made a HUGE improvement in that shift. Thank you Big Papa. I won't "cringe" if I happen to miss 2nd once in awhile now.

    I for some reason have always had 1-2 shift issues on every bike I have ridden. Been nicknamed "clunky".....let's not get into it......I gotta complex and stuff. Didn't want to psyche myself out.
    I definitely would concentrate on not missing that 1-2 shift as that is when the problem starts. However, since you know about preloading, just do it when you know you might step into it off the line and you will be fine.

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    I don't see how they can say anything about lowering bones, U can walk into the dealership and buy one factory lowered ..... I sat one the other day was lowered with pipes grips led turns all factory....
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigpapaM109 View Post
    I definitely would concentrate on not missing that 1-2 shift as that is when the problem starts. However, since you know about preloading, just do it when you know you might step into it off the line and you will be fine.
    It sure does work that little muscle on the front of our shins!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BAD BOY M109R View Post
    I don't see how they can say anything about lowering bones, U can walk into the dealership and buy one factory lowered ..... I sat one the other day was lowered with pipes grips led turns all factory....
    Yeah, me too.

    I had the dealer install my bones. First thing I asked was would it mess with the warranty. They said I would have to actually open up the engine and do something there to mess with the warranty. When I took my bike in for the clutch work they did ask me if I had installed a new clutch as mine looked so good, it was in perfect condition. Nooooo! I have not touch the engine! prolly goes the same for the drive shaft.
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    True, the lowering bones should have zip, zero, nothing to do with this issue. And I did a bunch of research on that Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act that someone had mentioned earlier. This goes for EVERYONE here!

    NO MODs that you install on your bike will void your power train warranty unless you open the motor or transmission. If it's a bolt on mod there is no way it can affect your power train and there is no way Suzuki can claim that. That's what the law was written for: To protect the buyer for situations like this. Check this out: http://www.mlmlaw.com/library/guides...s/undermag.htm

    "The Act sets forth that the consumer may choose a free replacement product or a full refund if the manufacturer cannot comply with its warranty for that specific product. The Act also provides for recovery of Attorney Fees if the consumer is successful in bringing his claim. "

    Legally, a vehicle manufacturer cannot void the warranty on a vehicle due to an aftermarket part unless they can prove that the aftermarket part caused or contributed to the failure in the vehicle (per the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act (15 U.S.C. 2302(C)) http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/...#Magnuson-Moss.

    Its one thing to have the service writer say you or your independent shop is at fault and quite another to have a large manufacturer go on record that you or your independent repair shop caused the problem. It is very difficult for the manufacturer to do, especially if your independent shop is using the manufacturers recommended procedures and specifications. With regards to performance upgrades, pipes etc., unless there are significant cases already on the books and the manufacturer can produce a genuine engineering study indicating that, a combination of accessories installed will cause engine damage, they will have a great deal of difficulty making a strong argument that will stand the scrutiny of litigation or arbitration.

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    Default Well, yes and no

    It's all well and good saying that Suzuki should honor it's warranties, but when they don't, they don't. So then what? You have to serve them, go to court, get a judgement, and then try and collect. Just like a renter that won't pay you. He owes the money, but getting it isn't that easy, maybe impossible.
    And proving that "any" mod done didn't harm the transmission, well. Lets say you put a drag racing slick about 3 feet wide on the rear, red line it, and drop the clutch. Sure this is an extreme example, but my point is the same. Can you expect stock parts to stand up to mods and full throttle drop clutches. A weekend at the drag strip will answer that question, No!
    Suziuki's contention that abuse is the reason may or may not apply to you, but you can see people abusing their bikes and then claiming warranty repairs is an ongoing problem to all companies. It makes everyone suspect. And easier for them to deny you.
    And no offense intended, but shifting a motorcycle is a skill. Any manual shift vehicle can be damaged if done incorrectly, intentional or not.
    It's easy to say it's all Suzuki's fault. Maybe yes, maybe no. Nobody ever seems to want to admit fault, us or them.
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    That really sucks. But you are armed, with what you need to do. Let us know what happens! We all what to know what Suzuki tells you.
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