not enough oil!!!

[greg109or]

hi, did already 1400 miles on my bike, since first day wasnt right something,,,,,shaking,vibratons, clunk and lurbs on first gear,,,, bought it brand new,so dealer put oil for a first time,,,,and to keep my warranty go for firast oil change 600miles,,,,after oil change all these horrible things from above got worst,,,,,finally after spoke with my friends decided to check the oil level 15/3 minutes method and my jaw droped,all body hair standed up,,,,dipstick just touched oil, so we wants to got a sunday ride and add about 200-300ml of oil to level,,,,couldnt belive i drove on my own bike, completley different!!!!!!!!!!!!! no anything from above, soft clutch leveler, no vibratons, nothing just smile on my face:))) got home after 150 miles and found an invoice,,,,says that they put new oil filter and 3 (three) Qts of oil !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! are they wants me to break my new bike thats really to low am i right? but beacouse of late sunday we put synthetic oil and dealer put mineral....so now my question....what to do friends recommended to change oil again for synthetic 10w40 and new filter what you guys think thanx for any relly good advise ,dont want to broke my new bike....

[BAD BOY M109R]

I would deffantly change the oil and filter ... I would do it myself and I would call suzuki and complain the dealership and corperation...

[TRod]

Being 200-300 ML of oil low will not cause any issues.

[greg109or]

i pretty sure i do new oil and filter ,thanx and as second answer how came thhat huge difference to my bike i still dont know if the oil level is at max or in middle of dipstic couse i drove a few miles to my friend to get some spare oil and there was no chance to check with 15/3 method?? in next days i check it again in my spare time after work .........but it must be something in that oil level ...if they put only 3 qts and suppoused to be 4qts the difference is huge....no oil on dipstick and some issuse coused by that...if oil level was at 1/3rd between min and max i could suspect oil level wasnt coused all these issues i had...but in this case i m almost sure that was it!! thanx for all replyes

[antmor69]

i pretty sure i do new oil and filter ,thanx and as second answer how came thhat huge difference to my bike i still dont know if the oil level is at max or in middle of dipstic couse i drove a few miles to my friend to get some spare oil and there was no chance to check with 15/3 method?? in next days i check it again in my spare time after work .........but it must be something in that oil level ...if they put only 3 qts and suppoused to be 4qts the difference is huge....no oil on dipstick and some issuse coused by that...if oil level was at 1/3rd between min and max i could suspect oil level wasnt coused all these issues i had...but in this case i m almost sure that was it!! thanx for all replyes

Be careful. You'll be just as disappointed if you put too much in. I put 3 qts and 20ozs with an oil and filter change. I find the 15/3 check to be inconsistent. I just check mine cold on the kickstand first thing in the morning.

[Big-B]

Be careful. You'll be just as disappointed if you put too much in. I put 3 qts and 20ozs with an oil and filter change. I find the 15/3 check to be inconsistent. I just check mine cold on the kickstand first thing in the morning.

As do most of us.

[keitho]

As do most of us.

[greg109or]

i tried on cold engine on kickstand and dipstick didnt even touch oil !! we just were 100% sure that different kind of oil in level range is much better then below dpipstick bottom end ,is it? second point is how dealer selling brend new bike has no mechanic to do this right!! third ,i paid almost 180$$$ for that BS oil change and was sure and trusteble that they do this right ,thats make me do on my own for every next time, but keeping point of that thread most of you says change the oil and filter ,im gonna choose ams oil 10w40 synthetic ,keep you posted about how my engine and clutch is acting after that, thanx for you all,be safe

[greg109or]

and Bad Boy you give me such as good idea ,i definetly call suzuki ,this cant happend ever again, guessing suzuki wants to keep us bikers happy and trust their logo in every point, begins in buying and maintaining our bikes, if you dont know what you doing then dont even touch this!

[TRod]

i tried on cold engine on kickstand and dipstick didnt even touch oil !! we just were 100% sure that different kind of oil in level range is much better then below dpipstick bottom end ,is it? second point is how dealer selling brend new bike has no mechanic to do this right!! third ,i paid almost 180$$$ for that BS oil change and was sure and trusteble that they do this right ,thats make me do on my own for every next time, but keeping point of that thread most of you says change the oil and filter ,im gonna choose ams oil 10w40 synthetic ,keep you posted about how my engine and clutch is acting after that, thanx for you all,be safe

Even if they only put in 3 quarts, there's about another quart in the engine that you can't get out when draining it. The oil pump pickup is at the bottom of the oil pan and is going to pump oil even if they only put in 2 quarts. The oil pump is what lubes the internals, not them running in a bath of oil. A 1/3 of a quart low isn't gonna matter and won't cause any issue. Whatever change you experienced after you added the oil was not due to the amount that you added. Maybe the type that you added, but not the amount.

[BAD BOY M109R]

synthetic oil is what I use maid it shift alot better.....

[greg109or]

interesting.....but what about vibrations ,,,they also gone, i felt it like something is out of balance ex.wheel ,rotating engine part, my clutch lever i softer now....so synthetic is what all of you is riding on and everyone feel it good .....but that little amount of synt added as oil kind could make that difference

[greg109or]

yes Trod i agree about engine alone, but ther is no pump for tranny ,so every single bearing ,sprocket and clutch (as i seen on this site,people talking about clutch issues becouse of not enough oil) need proper level cuz as they rotating they make kind of preassure and splush all them around,am i right??

[She's real fine my 109]

Stay with the 15/3 check. Don't do the cold check.

[BigpapaM109]

Stay with the 15/3 check. Don't do the cold check.

Once again, great advice from someone who knows everything about the 109

[devilr1]

LOL

[TRod]

yes Trod i agree about engine alone, but ther is no pump for tranny ,so every single bearing ,sprocket and clutch (as i seen on this site,people talking about clutch issues becouse of not enough oil) need proper level cuz as they rotating they make kind of preassure and splush all them around,am i right??

As long as the oil pump pickup is in oil (and you would have to be virtually out of oil for it not to be) there is oil being pumped everywhere inside the engine including the tranny. The clutch does not run in oil, it is fed pressurized oil.

[greg109or]

hmmmmm dont know that, just thought tranny is being oiled by itself.........someone told me that.....anyway to all we siad suzuki make min and max range that oil level must be in it, you pay and you expect, no matter what coused all that change in my bike ( kind of oil, not in range) spoused to be correct, like i said i will change oil and filter this coming weekend and let you know if smile on my face stays on and bike goes smooth and no clutch issues ,then i see what was the problem, but still dont think that little amount of synt. oil could do this, rather correct oil level but its just my thinking, thats my first season on this bike i i dont know it much...

[greg109or]

in addition, today in the morning before i gone to work ,checked oil on cold engine and was exactley in half min-max range.......before couldnt see any oil on dipstick no matter on cold or 15/3 method.....

[antmor69]

in addition, today in the morning before i gone to work ,checked oil on cold engine and was exactley in half min-max range.......before couldnt see any oil on dipstick no matter on cold or 15/3 method.....

That's good right there. Don't add anymore.

[She's real fine my 109]

Once again, great advice from someone who knows everything about the 109

I bet you run a catch can for extra oil lol.