Now there's a bike!Originally Posted by Archon
Now there's a bike!
IT'S NOT ABOUT HOW FAST YOU GET THERE, IT'S ABOUT THE RIDE ITSELF. TAKE YOUR TIME AND ENJOY IT!!
You're not gonna let this go, are ya? If you're gonna be a bike homer, you could at least pick one that has an original name, instead of one named after a burger joint....
That was my bike previous to the Vmax...they are fast as well...
There ya go.
1983,1984,1986 V65 Magna
1986 ZL900 Eliminator
2001 ZRX1200R
2008 Raider
Next up: Honda CBR 1100XX Blackbird
So we've now left the contrived media spun 1/4 mile trap times and have now "graduated" to names.....holy non sequitur batman! You win Grampi, your V-Max that you owned 20 years ago has a better name than the B-King that I've never owned....
Never tell the truth to people who are not worthy of it....Mark Twain
Gray 2008 M109R TRE, K&N, debeavered, gutted, custom Punisher intakes/key/derby, Fi2000r, PIAA, Air horn, Iso stilletos, Scythe mirrors, BackOff XP, P1 modulator, Irate Mesh Grill, LE tail,signals
Oh snap!There ya go.
Gray 2008 M109R TRE, K&N, debeavered, gutted, custom Punisher intakes/key/derby, Fi2000r, PIAA, Air horn, Iso stilletos, Scythe mirrors, BackOff XP, P1 modulator, Irate Mesh Grill, LE tail,signals
I always kinda liked the syle of the Super Magna....
V4
Turned up exhaust
Handlebar-mounted gauges
Solid rear wheel like a Fatboy
Tail end like a V-Rod Muscle
http://www.2ri.de/Images/Big/0/Honda..._1988_7796.jpg
movie still goes on damn where do i buy popxcorn
"If you have Elephants for Pets dont worry about their fodder".
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Contrived media spun? You've got problems with reality....get some help.......
Grampi's reality = a VMax will kill anything, especially a B- Sloth
Reality = a VMax can be beaten, by a B- Sloth, M109R, Hayabusa.....
Come over to the dark side, drink the kool-aid and accept our reality Grampi...
Gray 2008 M109R TRE, K&N, debeavered, gutted, custom Punisher intakes/key/derby, Fi2000r, PIAA, Air horn, Iso stilletos, Scythe mirrors, BackOff XP, P1 modulator, Irate Mesh Grill, LE tail,signals
Grampi's reality = a VMax will kill anything, especially a B- Sloth
Reality = a VMax can be beaten, by a B- Sloth, M109R, Hayabusa.....
Come over to the dark side, drink the kool-aid and accept our reality Grampi...
When you find a stock bike that runs quicker than 9.3, then we'll talk....
Sigh. You win Grampi, the 2nd gen VMax is the worlds fastest stock production bike. If I find a "stock" bike that runs better than a 9.39 quarter, I'll let you know....
BTW, here is a link about Gleason's "stock" 9.392 VMax, please read post 4 in particular http://www.vmaxforum.net/showthread.php?t=10162
I guess your concept of "stock" is different than mine....
Over and out. Can someone please lock this thread, my head hurts....
Gray 2008 M109R TRE, K&N, debeavered, gutted, custom Punisher intakes/key/derby, Fi2000r, PIAA, Air horn, Iso stilletos, Scythe mirrors, BackOff XP, P1 modulator, Irate Mesh Grill, LE tail,signals
http://m.motorcycle-usa.com/Articles...ArticleID=4145
These are true stock times, not your "slightly modded" bs times.
http://m.motorcycle-usa.com/Articles...ArticleId=2911
(3rd paragraph down on page 3)
Please quit posting times by riders who clearly don't know how to ride the Max....they're about a second slow...
so if your riding a B-King or any other liter bike, Busa, ZX14, or maybe an M109R, you CAN out run someone else on a V-Max unless "Mr. Pee Wee" is riding it........
(if you pull up beside Gleason even on a V-Max you still have no chance because no one else can get the power to the ground or put up his times)
I knew Jay Gleason was a little guy but is he really only 115 lbs. ? now that's almost a real "ghost rider"
and he was on his "tweaked" V-max, not a stock bike handed to test riders for magazine articles
MOVE ON
EVERYBODY LETS JUST MOVE ON.
Christmas will be coming in a few months think what you want to add on your M 109R
It's no 9.3, but at the 4:00 mark it shows a run of 9.91 on a stock bike...which is still quicker than any times I've seen for a Bee Queen...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEuyK...layer_embedded
lol please quit living in your retarded reality, by your logic all those other bikes are a second slow and still crushing the max.
it's honestly not about whatever vs whatever anymore you're just an idiot who cannot back any of what you're claiming with legitimate facts, just what you've "seen". I've seen a moped do 6 sec 1/4 miles and I'll be damned if you can tell me otherwise, see what I did there!
Last edited by Sciomar; 07-21-2012 at 06:54 PM.
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THIS THREAD IS REALLY GETTING OLD. Lets not ruin a good forum with all of this over and over same not getting no where. not talking to any indavidual , just trying to move on.
What you goobers are failing to realize is all of the magazine comparos you've shown have test riders who are riding the B-King at, or very near its full potential, while none of them are even coming to close to getting the Vmax's full potential...they all are killing the Max's times with massive amounts of wheel spin....some of the testers even admit they couldn't get the Vmax to hook up, so the reality is the B-King is capable of running about low 10s, while the Vmax, with a rider who knows how to ride it, is capable of running 9s....
Yeah no shyt, I said smack talk on the Vmax forum, not here!!! I posted it for entertainment purposes, not to start arguing amongst ourselves!THIS THREAD IS REALLY GETTING OLD. Lets not ruin a good forum with all of this over and over same not getting no where. not talking to any indavidual , just trying to move on.
IT'S NOT ABOUT HOW FAST YOU GET THERE, IT'S ABOUT THE RIDE ITSELF. TAKE YOUR TIME AND ENJOY IT!!
I love that bike. A freind of mine had one he bought new. As far as I know he still has it.There ya go.
IT'S NOT ABOUT HOW FAST YOU GET THERE, IT'S ABOUT THE RIDE ITSELF. TAKE YOUR TIME AND ENJOY IT!!
agree 100 percent
time to
Respect to all those fine scooters... v-max/kaw 900 eliminator/ v65. damn them were the good ol days
Do a search for Rickey Gadson's runs on stock ZX-14's.
He was almost gettin in the 8s with the 2012 model...fast bike!
Here is one for you Suzuki guys. The 1150E would run neck and neck with the V65, maybe even a little faster. Less of them around and good luck finding one today. One of these would look pretty cool sitting next to a M109 in the barn, wouldn't it?
This is not mine, but a friend of mine in Texas owns it.
This red one is just an image I pulled off the internet. If I could find one like this I would be looking to buy it. I imagine parts are hard to impossible to find, so it would be pretty much what you bought I imagine. I love old muscle bikes from the 80's. A lot of younger guys don't know what they are, never rode or even saw one before, and they will roll with most of the V twin stock stuff out there today. It goes both ways with the Harley guys. Older riders probably started out on something like this, and respect it. Younger guys many times don't know what they are looking at. Then the fun begins.
Last edited by ZL900GUY; 07-22-2012 at 11:29 AM.
1983,1984,1986 V65 Magna
1986 ZL900 Eliminator
2001 ZRX1200R
2008 Raider
Next up: Honda CBR 1100XX Blackbird
Before I respond to your comment, let me first introduce myself to the forum, as this is my first post. I'm an avid motorcyclist, and my taste tends to lean towards the big monster bikes out there. I've been contemplating purchasing an M109R for a more comfortable/relaxed ride to add to my stable, which explains my presence here, and how I happened to stumble upon this forum. I am in no means looking to continue to stoke the flames - I hope to bring some REAL world experience to this existing b-king VS vmax debate.
I feel I am uniquely qualified to comment on this issue, as I own/ride both of these machines in question.
First the facts:
1.) Comparing these two machines at all is an exercise in futility. Both of these machines are unique and don't quite fit within the confines of an existing "class" and as a result, some knucklehead at a magazine decided they should compare the two - and others soon followed, stemming this absurd comparison. Sit on the VMAX and it's a surprisingly comfortable, relatively low slung "cruiser style" bike with the foot controls more rearward for a more "sporty" position as opposed to a full fledged cruiser position with forward controls. The entire bike is designed to be a complete cream puff around town, but with a surprise M80 in the middle as soon as you light the fuse with a twist of the wrist. The B-King is a naked sport bike, with a slightly more relaxed seating position... simple as that. Compare the seat and seating position (just look at the pic below - on the b-king, your butt is only 5-6 inches below the handle bars, but on the Max it's at least 15 inches), tires between the two, the shaft vs chain drive, the high revving, massive power up top I4 mill, vs the stump pulling V4 bruiser, the substantial weight and wheelbase differences, the list goes on and on - hell the b-king even comes standard with a steering damper. The only things these bikes have in common, is a similarly wide air intake system on a faux tank and the fact that they both are naked bikes, with big power. Ride either bike in a straight line or in the canyons and it's clear, they're entirely different machines. Comparing these two machines, is like comparing the b-king with a liter bike, or the VMAX with a Diavel or M109R. None of them are fair, or reasonable comparisons, but I digress...
2.) I've seen your post on the VMAX forums, and you continually fail to understand - you can only compare one motorcycle's performance to anothers when the maximum (or all) number of factors is equal. IE: they have to be stock. Stock doesn't mean just an intake/exhaust change, or a ECU reflash. That's not stock and even one modification on a bike from stock form (even changing out the tires) no longer makes it a fair race. You also have to have the same rider ride each bike. Posting the ET of a professional drag racer (or highly skilled amateur) that weighs under 120lbs on a modified bike, and comparing that to a stock bike with a moto journalist, or one of us racer wannabe's on the thing (likely 2X the pro's weight mind you) is entirely pointless and provides no valuable data.
3.) Saying these magazine writers can't ride the bike properly and using that as an excuse for logging a performance you don't want to see/hear as it shatters your bragging rights is not an acceptable response. While many of us on these forums feel we're amazing riders, i'd put money on it that 99 out of 100 times these guys would eat your and my lunch, in any riding challenge/test. This is their job, this is what they do 9-5 seven days a week, and poor riders don't carry any credibility or help their magazine sell. If they can't clock as good a time - then it means the bike is difficult to launch consistently... period - but you still must accept the fact that if they "can't" or "don't know how" to ride it properly, then clearly they possess those attributes whilst riding the b-king (or insert your other make/model here) thus a properly trained/skilled b-king rider must then be able to clock an even faster time.
4.) I am proud to own and enjoy both of these machines. I don't just own these bikes, I fawn over them and I participate in forums dedicated to these machines. What I'm getting at is, i'm not a a rabid, die-hard VMAX, B-King (or name your make/model) sycophant, pumping up my bikes reputation to make myself feel better (or others feel worse) about my purchase. What I am is an avid motorcyclist who can appreciate the unique, powerful machines for their own respective strengths and weaknesses. I have no dog in this race, and no reason to be dishonest.
5.) Stock for stock, any day, any time and in any condition in a straight up drag race my B-king is faster than my VMAX - period, end of story. The VMAX feels faster, and frankly a bit looney - but "feeling" is different than outright speed. There's a 1/2 mile road near my house that has heavy plants on both side, no sidewalks and a 45 mph speed limit with no spot for police officers to post up waiting to ticket folks, and a very mild turn which offers plenty of time to scrub any speed you could muster up. Right before this road is a stop sign (providing the perfect safe/sane opportunity for a full on launch and 1/4 blast) and I pass by this road several times a day. I've done full-on blasts with both bikes on this road at least 50 times each, and I can say that in the B-king I ALWAYS reach certain landmarks faster, and carrying 5-12 mph more speed. Speedometer accuracy is a non-issue as speed is recorded/shown via GPS.
6.) The VMAX can never be caught with its pants down, and in every gear in any speed it offers immediate and surprising acceleration. Catch the B-king on the freeway, and to enter into shock and awe mode, you'll have to drop from 6th to 2nd. In the max, you drop from 5th, to 3rd. Two shifts, versus FOUR shifts.... that is a big deal - and that's why the max feels like such a monster, and the V4 engine is really something special. By the time the B-king rider gets into 2nd gear, the VMAX rider has already shifter and been on the power for at least a second or so - giving it a substantial lead. That said, if a VMAX ever rolled up beside me and my b-king on the freeway and I was in 2nd gear - even if the Max were in 3rd, it'd be a brutal beating for the max.
Is the vmax a fast bike? Hell yes - especially so for a cruiser and a machine of that size. Is it the fastest bike at the drag strip? No f'in way. Just about every liter bike, ZX14 and Busa stock for stock is faster in a 1/4 mile race. On the road, it's a slightly different story and the 5 speed gearbox and the epic power/torque from the V4 mill make it a very challenging bike to beat on the street, unless the opposing bike has a REALLY good rider who can quickly get and keep their machine in it's optimal power range. The optimal power range for the VMAX however, begins at idle.
I think there is a lot of VMAX hype for a few reasons.
1 - the throttle has a surprisingly short travel. Getting to full throttle is just a slight jerk of the wrist, where as on most sport bikes you have to turn the throttle at least 30% more - and that makes a big difference, as you're always dialing in more throttle than you normally would (Toyota uses this trick on their low end cars to make them feel faster. Drive a newer Corolla, Rav4, etc and it'll seem very peppy - but floor it, and it doesn't feel much more potent than engaging a mere 15% throttle, because the first 15% of the throttle travel actually engages the majority of the engines power, the rest is mere pedal travel).
2 - the majority of VMAX riders are older (for good reason, due to the cost of the bike, the seating position, the looks, etc) and haven't experienced a modern sport bike. If you come from a cruiser - ANY cruiser, even the M109R, one ride on the VMAX is a shocking experience.... I mean SHOCKING experience. If you own a modern liter bike, or a hypersport (Busa, ZX14) you'll appreciate the more robust torque curve and the immediate punch, but in terms of sheer performance, it'll be entirely manageable and not a radical departure. After a month or so, you'll be looking for more power out of it.
3 - the seating position, bar position and seat are designed to enhance the sensation of speed/acceleration. You also have to splay your legs out quite a bit to fit around the giant air intakes, which increase the "hold on for dear life" feeling the bike creates.
4 - it sounds like hell unleashed. Let's face it - sound is one of our most important senses, and the immense torque of the motor, combined with the "hell on wheels" sound of the rip snorting V4 make it FEEL like you're going faster than you really are.
5 - short gearing. It feels almost as if you can't shift fast enough as it bounces of the rev limiter from one gear to the next in seemingly no time at all.
For what it is, a 700lb moster cruiser style bike, the fact that it can even be compared to 430lb 180+hp literbikes and hyperbikes is in an of itself amazing. I could ride my Max all day in complete comfort (save for having to stop for gas ever hour), try that with any other bike that's faster, or almost as fast as a vmax and you'll not be a happy camper at the end of a 10+ hour ride... if you even make it past hour two that is.
I know these are all "muscle bikes" but frankly who cares which one is a few tenths of a second faster? If all you care about is speed, then all three of these bikes are bad choices, buy a cheap gen 1 busa for $5K, put another $5-6K into a turbo, giant wheel, stretch it out and install an air shifter, and you'll flat smoke just about anything out there (within reason) for less $ than any of these bikes.
The M109R looks great, sounds great, powerful, is super comfortable, reliable and a blast to ride. The b-king is devilishly fast and incredibly exciting to ride, reasonably comfortable, handles the best of the three (by a large margin) gets the best gas mileage and has the best range of the trio. The VMAX is the most unique looking (in my opinion) sounds amazing - unlike anything else on the road, has limitless thrust, and of the three is the most FUN machine to ride.
When it's all said and done, all three of these motorcycles are simply superlative. We all should be proud/honored to own such capable machines and live in a time where there is relatively no regulations around motorcycle power/performance, gas is at a price where it's affordable and practical to run these machines, they're relatively inexpensive for all the engineering/manufacturing costs that go into these bikes. If you think in 20-30 years they'll still be building motorcycles that look, sound, consume fuel and have the power of these machines - you're sorely mistaken.
Let's just all take a step back and appreciate what we have. They're all modern marvels, and getting 1/4 mile down the road a few tenths of a second faster than the next guy is just really not that big of a deal. If it feels fast and gets your blood pumping - that's all that matters.
To summarize - the B-king is faster, the VMAX isn't the fastest thing on the road - BUT, the VMAX does FEEL like the fastest thing on the road, and at least for me, has been the most fun bike i've ever ridden, but if i'm betting money on a drag race, it's in the kings corner... every time.
Last edited by lazerblue; 08-04-2012 at 05:58 PM.
Nice looking bikes, great post and
IT'S NOT ABOUT HOW FAST YOU GET THERE, IT'S ABOUT THE RIDE ITSELF. TAKE YOUR TIME AND ENJOY IT!!
Thanks for the welcomeNice looking bikes, great post and
Beautiful bike BTW. A friend of mine picked one up about a week and a half ago and I got the chance to ride it last weekend for about 20 minutes and fell in love. The M109R is really one of those bikes you've got to ride a bit to really understand. On paper, or just sitting on one in a showroom really doesn't do it justice.
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