Cobra Power Pro - updated version

[bulle109]

You already have intakes, you're getting a pipe. It's gonna be way lean. You're gonna need something. Chances are, you may get the updated board when you purchase. You could always call them ahead of time to see if that's the case.

Great thanks B appreciate the advice, where is the best/cheapest place to buy them?

[TORQ]

TORQ I just ordered the 6' cannon on Thurday and I know that I will need a programer from what everyone says on here. But these issues are making me gunshy too order the cobra. The problem is I need to order something soon so that it is here when the pipe arrives need some advice.

If all you have coming is a set of pipes your ok! However if you have other than stock intakes your right, you will need something to change your air fuel misture.

I think the majority of Power Pro users are very happy with their units and it's only a few (so far) that have experienced the surging. Why it works differently on the odd 9, I have no idea but maybe some units were faulty. The fact that they came out with a new motherboard does show that maybe they were a bit too hasty with their first design.

Your Right that Landlubber that new mother board, looks nothing like whats being replaced. And I have had my bike balls to the wall many times, and that cobra will truly be tested if I get one! And I would not want it spuddering at 7,000RPMS, i'd expect to pull my arms off!

Chad, just call them.714-692-8180. I sent an e-mail as well and it took them a while to respond. They sent me their #, I called. They have a guy that takes some basic info, then forwards that to the tech dept. He told me I would hear from someone at the latest the next day depending how busy they were. Tech called me back the same day

Bernie with the talk you had with the tech, what did you learn?

[Latinrascal]

Ok so are you guys experiencing a "lean surge?"

[Big-B]

Great thanks B appreciate the advice, where is the best/cheapest place to buy them?

Right now, not sure, you'll have to search around and see.

Your Right that Landlubber that new mother board, looks nothing like whats being replaced. And I have had my bike balls to the wall many times, and that cobra will truly be tested if I get one! And I would not want it spuddering at 7,000RPMS, i'd expect to pull my arms off!



Bernie with the talk you had with the tech, what did you learn?

Bob the issue is not under hard accel or at redline. It's unsder light cruise, 2500-3000 rpms or so. It will still run like a raped ape under full accel. As far as talking w/ the tech, nothing special. Just a series of questions to determine if action was needed.

[bulle109]

[QUOTE=TORQ;1669048]If all you have coming is a set of pipes your ok! However if you have other than stock intakes your right, you will need something to change your air fuel misture.


Thanks TORQ and I do have intakes so looks like I will be ordering the pp, like B says I think I will call in the order and ask for the new Board.

[Big-B]

Ok so are you guys experiencing a "lean surge?"

Yeah, it's kinda like Landlubber said, like the tre wasn't working

[Latinrascal]

Yeah, it's kinda like Landlubber said, like the tre wasn't working

So it would seem that the new motherboard is in fact a fine tuning pod for cruising speed range as a base map setting during which time the powerpro is not programming for power runs which in turn means it truly is not a true autotune device!

[Big-B]

So it would seem that the new motherboard is in fact a fine tuning pod for cruising speed range as a base map setting during which time the powerpro is not programming for power runs which in turn means it truly is not a true autotune device!

Well, it may seem so, but I'm not sure. I am going to be talking to them at some point, I'll be sure to inquire about that.

[Landlubber]

So it would seem that the new motherboard is in fact a fine tuning pod for cruising speed range as a base map setting during which time the powerpro is not programming for power runs which in turn means it truly is not a true autotune device!

The power Pro will still auto-tune like it was programmed to do. The one pot on the newer boards is probably comparable to the first pot on the Fi2000R where it adjusted for the lower range where surging has been showing up with a small number of units. Cobra did find a problem with some units and this was the fix. You get this set where you want it and you should be good to go. The unit will still auto adjust for throttle and whatever exhaust or air modifications you do. Like I said earlier, I found the right setting on mine and should never have to touch it again. My 9 has never ran better!

If your bike is running fine now with the original board, I doubt the newer board will change anything.

[Sciomar]

If all you have coming is a set of pipes your ok! However if you have other than stock intakes your right, you will need something to change your air fuel misture.

Thanks TORQ and I do have intakes so looks like I will be ordering the pp, like B says I think I will call in the order and ask for the new Board.

Let me know how it all works out and feels, I'm still deciding in which pipes I want and the 2 Rainey pipes are really drawing me in. Also...pics when you get that monster on!

[Latinrascal]

The power Pro will still auto-tune like it was programmed to do. The one pot on the newer boards is probably comparable to the first pot on the Fi2000R where it adjusted for the lower range where surging has been showing up with a small number of units. Cobra did find a problem with some units and this was the fix. You get this set where you want it and you should be good to go. The unit will still auto adjust for throttle and whatever exhaust or air modifications you do. Like I said earlier, I found the right setting on mine and should never have to touch it again. My 9 has never ran better!

If your bike is running fine now with the original board, I doubt the newer board will change anything.

Oh I have no doubt it will still program when its in its learning mode which according to some cobra reps is only at wot! There has been a lot of back and forth he said she said that is very misleading and this just goes to prove (if I'm correct st what I think is going on) that it does only program at wot and needs a base cruising map because it does not store any settings. Not tryin to sound like a broken record just trying to see if e can come up with some answers. That is a major change done on that motherboard and theoretically there should not be that much of a difference in the bikes themselves. My guess is the type of mods on the bikes with so called "bad" power pros is just causing a much leaner fuel state during the cruising rpm range then what the stock map can compensate for (the reason for buying a fuel manager in the first place) that this unit depends on and the easiest way to correct the issue was to add a pot to richen the fuel in that same rpm range! I hope I'm making sense and not rambling.

[bulle109]

Let me know how it all works out and feels, I'm still deciding in which pipes I want and the 2 Rainey pipes are really drawing me in. Also...pics when you get that monster on!

Will do man.

[CDM76]

Not everyone has had an issue. LIke a lot of things, maybe it was a certain run.

Although mine has only been installed for a week it seems to be working great ! There is definitely a noticeable difference.

[Landlubber]

Oh I have no doubt it will still program when its in its learning mode which according to some cobra reps is only at wot! There has been a lot of back and forth he said she said that is very misleading and this just goes to prove (if I'm correct st what I think is going on) that it does only program at wot and needs a base cruising map because it does not store any settings. Not tryin to sound like a broken record just trying to see if e can come up with some answers. That is a major change done on that motherboard and theoretically there should not be that much of a difference in the bikes themselves. My guess is the type of mods on the bikes with so called "bad" power pros is just causing a much leaner fuel state during the cruising rpm range then what the stock map can compensate for (the reason for buying a fuel manager in the first place) that this unit depends on and the easiest way to correct the issue was to add a pot to richen the fuel in that same rpm range! I hope I'm making sense and not rambling.

Not rambling at all and what you say does make sense. Too lean of a condition may have caused the surging and hence the added pot to correct this. I guess the bottom line for me is I got the issues corrected and the bike runs sweet.

[Zoom]

From what I've read, it's not that it only tunes under WOT, but it tunes when it's under power. Maybe some are interpreting that as meaning WOT. With the way it works the bike has to be accelerating for it to try and tune it, since it looks for an improvement in the injector cycle times.

But this new thing with the tuning pot really just pisses me off. I bought it as an auto tune and paid the money so I wouldn't have to worry about having to tweak the damned thing. Now they say you may need a pot to tune some ranges? I say bullchyt to that. If that's true, mine will go back and my old FI2000R will go back on. The PowerPro runs great on it and has never given me any issues in the 3 months or so it's been on, but now how do I know it's doing as well as it could/should be doing?

Mine runs like it's an electric motor, dead smooth at low speed cruise, mid range cruise, etc. And it accelerates stronger than it ever did with the old unit. So I know I don't have a "bad" unit, but why the heck would they not just replace defective boards instead of redesigning the entire thing if some of them are bad?

I think I'll call them this week and have a little talk with them.

[Latinrascal]

Big B and Zoom your guys bikes are two good comparisons. Both have same exhaust but only similar intake. I am assuming Big B's are flowing maybe somewhat better? If this is what the difference is with the bikes that are/aren't having problems it may be useful information can you post up the type filter you run and which type intake please? Maybe altitude is also a major factor at play here, is there a significance difference in altitude between where you guys live and primarily ride?

[Zoom]

Bernie and I don't live too far apart, just over an hour. Altitude, I'm probably a couple hundred feet higher than him where I live, but a lot of my riding is at close to the same altitude as he is. Not enough difference between the two to matter. Mine works fine from near sea level to over 4,000 feet, I'm sure of that.

My intakes are a pair of Donnie Smith Customs originally made for a HD. I made the backing plates to mount them on my bike. they have about the same K&N filter in them as the Big Air kits do. The filters on mine and on Bernie's can either flow more air freely than the stock intake tubes can flow so neither are restricting the intake at all. We even have similar modifications to the baffles in the exhaust, though I've ran mine with stock baffles and no baffles and the bike still ran the same.

But even if one of us had no intakes I don't think it should matter. The Cobra is supposed to tune for all that. If it's so close that a little additional back pressure in the exhaust or a little less flow on the intake makes a difference then the unit isn't doing what they advertised it to do.

[Duende01]

I think the majority of Power Pro users are very happy with their units and it's only a few (so far) that have experienced the surging. Why it works differently on the odd 9, I have no idea but maybe some units were faulty. The fact that they came out with a new motherboard does show that maybe they were a bit too hasty with their first design.

As a I've stated before, I don't know much about this product but I do know that my hand goes in my pocket and comes back out every time that I read one of these. I am not entirely sold on this unit's claims and this type of posts kinds of proves the reasons for my uneasiness. "Why it works different on odd 9's " might be due to the fact that everyone rides their bikes differently, and have different set-ups. Ever since this unit came out the only thing I have read is about how "it feels" and "what I have noticed". Are Dyno sessions so expensive that no one has seem to have done one after the installation of this unit? Or are most going with Cobra's claim that one will never be needed and taking their word for it? Heck, maybe they really don't want anyone to find out that this might give the same performance as cheaper units. I heard once that Sianide Acid was good for the vocal cords--she assured what it felt like and what she noticed... I have not heard or seen her again​.

[Big-B]

Bernie and I don't live too far apart, just over an hour. Altitude, I'm probably a couple hundred feet higher than him where I live, but a lot of my riding is at close to the same altitude as he is. Not enough difference between the two to matter. Mine works fine from near sea level to over 4,000 feet, I'm sure of that.

My intakes are a pair of Donnie Smith Customs originally made for a HD. I made the backing plates to mount them on my bike. they have about the same K&N filter in them as the Big Air kits do. The filters on mine and on Bernie's can either flow more air freely than the stock intake tubes can flow so neither are restricting the intake at all. We even have similar modifications to the baffles in the exhaust, though I've ran mine with stock baffles and no baffles and the bike still ran the same.

But even if one of us had no intakes I don't think it should matter. The Cobra is supposed to tune for all that. If it's so close that a little additional back pressure in the exhaust or a little less flow on the intake makes a difference then the unit isn't doing what they advertised it to do.

w/ everything that Mike has stated. Like I said, mine ran perfect the first month and then the problem developed. so whatever happened w/ the unit after that, something failed cuz nothing else has changed on the bike. Time will tell once the new unit is installed and I get some seat time. It is an inconvenience, but cobra seems to be on the ball w/ taking care of the issue. Unlike a lot of other companies/manufacturers.

As a I've stated before, I don't know much about this product but I do know that my hand goes in my pocket and comes back out every time that I read one of these. I am not entirely sold on this unit's claims and this type of posts kinds of proves the reasons for my uneasiness. "Why it works different on odd 9's " might be due to the fact that everyone rides their bikes differently, and have different set-ups. Ever since this unit came out the only thing I have read is about how "it feels" and "what I have noticed". Are Dyno sessions so expensive that no one has seem to have done one after the installation of this unit? Or are most going with Cobra's claim that one will never be needed and taking their word for it? Heck, maybe they really don't want anyone to find out that this might give the same performance as cheaper units. I heard once that Sianide Acid was good for the vocal cords--she assured what it felt like and what she noticed... I have not heard or seen her again​.

Adrian, I can fully understand your reluctance, it is a lot of coin to come off of if you have an unsure feeling about a product. However I have no regrets in the money spent. Except for the issue, the bike still runs strong.

As far as having dyno'd, there's a place about 5 miles from me that has one. However, when I had my mustang I spent somewhere around 2-3000$'s on tuning. Every time I made a change, I had to have it retuned. Def not interested in spending anything extra having it dyno'd. Not to mention the chance of the operator fukking up the bike. ( I had the first place that dyno'd my car try to sell me all this unnecessary stuff, I knew he was full of shyt. I found another shop, they confirmed I was right. That's another thing, finding a place that knows what they're doing) There are many units ppl here have bought w/ no issues. If you're running the old FI2000 and you're happy w/ your bikes performance, maybe you should leave it at that. Your choice bro, I hope w/e you decide you're happy.

[Big-B]

[QUOTE=Sly Dog;1669242]

But this new thing with the tuning pot really just pisses me off. I bought it as an auto tune and paid the money so I wouldn't have to worry about having to tweak the damned thing. Now they say you may need a pot to tune some ranges? I say bullchyt to that.QUOTE]

Hmmm... been watching this thread since I have 2 9's with PP's. I installed one on my 9 and it is running perfect, although my exhaust is a bit constricted. No surging or rough running at lower constant speeds. Not the best test example but it getting good gas mileage and the power is within limits for me.

On the wife's 9 with a TRE and PC3 I had a tough time getting the dreaded 2750RPM surging out of it. With the PP the surging is still there if not a bit worse now, but the rest of the PP's functions are great. Intake and exhaust are not stock so it flows really good so it sounds like the stock map in the ECM is just too lean and the PP I have on hers is needing a baseline pot to smooth it out... not too happy about that one either Zoom...

Too busy to take care of this right now, going to have to wait until after Sturgis.

Sly

YUp, sounds like you'll be making a phone call to Cobra.

[dre319]

How bad was the surging that everyone was experiencing? Really noticeable?

[Big-B]

How bad was the surging that everyone was experiencing? Really noticeable?

If you have a tre, it's like it was before having one. Yes, it's noticable

[briansm]

I run between sea level and 2500 feet and my bike runs perfect and pulls hard, Idles perfect and doesn't surge at any RPM....Prolly installed about the same time as Big B, The higher the RPM the smoother it runs...my fuel light always came on at 130 miles now 150 to 155 of combined riding....I run the V and H 2 into 1's , ATRE and installing a intake system next week...I'm very happy with the product and don't care how it functions internally, its the end result that I'm thrilled with.....When I added the exhaust system after the Cobra power pro I immediately felt how easy the bike took off, the bike runs so effortless now not to mention the huge gains in power and smoothness of the over all running...I'm excited about installing the intakes....

[The Chief]

No complaints here. The PP exceeded my expectations. I have stock exhaust and K&Ns.

[antmor69]

One thing I haven't seen anyone mention. When I had the old FI2000R and would ride 2up I could feel the loss of pull due to the extra weight. With the PowerPro I can't even tell they're back there.

[briansm]

can't compare on the different systems but long hills with a passenger I just twist a slight bit before I had to give it some gas.. maybe a quarter turn...hills meaning 3500 to 4200 ft above sea level...

[dre319]

If you have a tre, it's like it was before having one. Yes, it's noticable

No TRE, just the PP.

[Big-B]

One thing I haven't seen anyone mention. When I had the old FI2000R and would ride 2up I could feel the loss of pull due to the extra weight. With the PowerPro I can't even tell they're back there.

can't compare on the different systems but long hills with a passenger I just twist a slight bit before I had to give it some gas.. maybe a quarter turn...hills meaning 3500 to 4200 ft above sea level...

Never ride 2 up so i can't comment on that aspect.

No TRE, just the PP.

OK, you ever experience a slight miss in 1st 2nd or 3rd going slow at just off idle throttle? Common problem on these bikes. It feels like that. Installing a tre cures that.

[my m109]

What is TRE?

[Big-B]

What is TRE?

Timing retard eliminator. You should buy one

http://www.trackdayelectronics.com/gear_emulator.php